Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?

More Than Mortal · October 13, 2015, 10:36:06 PM

Quote from: Dan on October 13, 2015, 10:34:10 PM

It's weird how the media ignores Sander's existence despite his popularity.

>got the second most amount of minutes during the debate

Fuck it, anyway, Sanders is a Scandinavia fetishist.

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Quote from: Kupo on October 13, 2015, 10:23:47 PM

Also piggy-backing off of Ohio's importance:

This is the 1960 electoral college map - when John F Kennedy was elected, over fifty years ago. That was the last time that Ohio voted incorrectly and did not give their votes to the winner.

Since then, they have always been correct.

76 with Carter:

92 with Clinton:

'00 with Bush

'08 with Obama

It is also important to note that since 1950, Ohio has rarely voted for the same party three elections in a row: There has actually only been two instances of this occurring: 1952,56,and 60, and 1980, 84, and 88 - both times, they voted Republican for three terms.

Politics is well known for following trends - and Ohio voting Sanders would break a trend almost 70 years established. He's going to struggle, big time, because blue collar workers are not going to just keep voting the same party in time and time again. If the results aren't coming, they're jumping to the other side.

Septy · October 13, 2015, 10:38:35 PM

Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 13, 2015, 10:36:06 PM

Quote from: Dan on October 13, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
It's weird how the media ignores Sander's existence despite his popularity.
>got the second most amount of minutes during the debate

Fuck it, anyway, Sanders is a Scandinavia fetishist.

If this were a different time you'd be very valuable with the amount of salt you're spewing.

Dan · October 13, 2015, 10:38:55 PM

Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 13, 2015, 10:36:06 PM

Quote from: Dan on October 13, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
It's weird how the media ignores Sander's existence despite his popularity.
>got the second most amount of minutes during the debate

Fuck it, anyway, Sanders is a Scandinavia fetishist.

Most of the media headlines are using Clinton as the center point of the debate.

Verbatim · October 13, 2015, 10:39:59 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

It is also important to note that since 1950, Ohio has rarely voted for the same party three elections in a row: There has actually only been two instances of this occurring: 1952,56,and 60, and 1980, 84, and 88 - both times, they voted Republican for three terms.

Politics is well known for following trends - and Ohio voting Sanders would break a trend almost 70 years established. He's going to struggle, big time.

something something correlation =/= causation

Winy · October 13, 2015, 10:40:44 PM

Someone summarize what happened.

More Than Mortal · October 13, 2015, 10:41:19 PM

Quote from: Septy on October 13, 2015, 10:38:35 PM

If this were a different time you'd be very valuable with the amount of salt you're spewing.

WELL AREN'T YOU A FUNNY cunt

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 10:42:44 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on October 13, 2015, 10:39:59 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM
It is also important to note that since 1950, Ohio has rarely voted for the same party three elections in a row: There has actually only been two instances of this occurring: 1952,56,and 60, and 1980, 84, and 88 - both times, they voted Republican for three terms.

Politics is well known for following trends - and Ohio voting Sanders would break a trend almost 70 years established. He's going to struggle, big time.
something something correlation =/= causation

Not especially.

Blue collar voters in battleground states are well known for jumping to the other side if the party in power is not producing results quick enough. This gives merit to them supporting Bush in 1988 after 8 years of Reagan - he got the results that voters wanted, so they kept the party in power even longer.

Obama, for all he has done, has not gotten the results and change he campaigned on in 08. He got by in 2012, but this election is going to be two new candidates - and people are going to put the Obama Administrations legacy on the ballot as well. If the voters aren't happy with him, chances of the Democrats getting the White House again drops significantly.

maverick · October 13, 2015, 10:42:50 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Since then, they have always been correct.

It's almost as if we hold more power, some might say.

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 10:43:32 PM

Quote from: Gravedigger on October 13, 2015, 10:42:50 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM
Since then, they have always been correct.
It's almost as if we hold more power, some might say.

No - your voters are just impatient as fuck.

Thun · October 13, 2015, 10:43:46 PM

Quote from: Winy on October 13, 2015, 10:40:44 PM

Someone summarize what happened.

Sanders wants the rich to burn in hell
Hillary is all about vag

Everyone else is literally who

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 10:47:45 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

He's going to struggle, big time, because blue collar workers are not going to just keep voting the same party in time and time again. If the results aren't coming, they're jumping to the other side.

I dunno man, Sanders is really on the side of the union/blue collar people

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 10:49:19 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 10:47:45 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM
He's going to struggle, big time, because blue collar workers are not going to just keep voting the same party in time and time again. If the results aren't coming, they're jumping to the other side.
I dunno man, Sanders is really on the side of the union/blue collar people

And yet Obama hasn't helped much over the 8 years. The results aren't there.

Assuming a trend holds - Ohio and the general will go to he GOP (Assuming it's not trump)

maverick · October 13, 2015, 10:50:40 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:43:32 PM

Quote from: Gravedigger on October 13, 2015, 10:42:50 PM
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM
Since then, they have always been correct.
It's almost as if we hold more power, some might say.

No - your voters are just impatient as fuck.

To seriously address your points, I agree. I can't see Ohio going blue in 2016. Especially considering landslide Republican victories in the midterms.

More Than Mortal · October 13, 2015, 10:51:16 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 13, 2015, 10:47:45 PM

I dunno man, Sanders is really on the side of the union/blue collar people

Nominally.

His policies are pretty unworkable, and he basically lied about the bank bailouts. Of course, even assuming Sanders could implement his reforms perfectly, you still have to question if they are desirable.

Alternative Facts · October 13, 2015, 10:53:19 PM

Quote from: Gravedigger on October 13, 2015, 10:50:40 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: Gravedigger on October 13, 2015, 10:42:50 PM
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 13, 2015, 10:37:54 PM
Since then, they have always been correct.
It's almost as if we hold more power, some might say.

No - your voters are just impatient as fuck.
To seriously address your points, I agree. I can't see Ohio going blue in 2016. Especially considering landslide Republican victories in the midterms.

Either way - Ohio is going to be a warzone this next year. The eventual nominee from either party needs it to win - and Sanders/Clinton is pushing a boulder uphill in a mudslide.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · October 13, 2015, 11:08:58 PM

I haven't really walked away from this debate any more certain of who I'd want as the candidate than I was before. Hillary's a great orator, but that's because she's a career politician and she know how to play a crowd; Bernie panders to the grassroots crowd, but his ideas are just too extreme to be viable.

The only difference is that I now know that Webb is a Vietnam veteran who is certain that he'd be the best commander and chief, O'Malley wants the US to use 100% renewable energy by 2050, and Chafee buckles under pressure.

Mad Max · October 13, 2015, 11:26:07 PM

Is there a link to the full debate? I can only find clips ATM

Mad Max · October 14, 2015, 12:34:49 AM

US CNN vs International CNN

Go fuck yourselves.

Luciana · October 14, 2015, 12:47:07 AM

CNN is a joke anyway. Did you see how they handled the Republican debate? Now I know we all don't like Trump, but I want debates to be fair but it was literally Trump and friends. EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE that wasn't Trump when they talked, somehow got in a split screen to show Trumps reaction.

It was a joke. That should have been obvious with the pre-fight style hype of it, and then them singing the national anthem for.... whatever reason.

Jono · October 14, 2015, 01:03:25 AM

So did Colonel Sanders win or nah

Sandtrap · October 14, 2015, 02:37:58 AM

Anonymous (User Deleted) · October 14, 2015, 01:32:49 PM

Quote from: Jono on October 14, 2015, 01:03:25 AM

So did Colonel Sanders win or nah

non-scientific polls and twitter say yes by a huge margin

so this is either really good or really bad for bernie's future

Mad Max · October 14, 2015, 01:38:12 PM

Quote from: Kupo on October 14, 2015, 01:32:49 PM

Quote from: Jono on October 14, 2015, 01:03:25 AM
So did Colonel Sanders win or nah
non-scientific polls and twitter say yes by a huge margin

so this is either really good or really bad for bernie's future

...unless you're CNN who takes down their online poll after like 80% said they favored Sanders. Time Warner, CNN's parent company, is a contributor to Clinton's campaign.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · October 14, 2015, 01:40:01 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on October 14, 2015, 01:38:12 PM

Quote from: Kupo on October 14, 2015, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Jono on October 14, 2015, 01:03:25 AM
So did Colonel Sanders win or nah
non-scientific polls and twitter say yes by a huge margin

so this is either really good or really bad for bernie's future
...unless you're CNN who takes down their online poll after like 80% said they favored Sanders. Time Warner, CNN's parent company, is a contributor to Clinton's campaign.

*looks up*

oh yeeeaaahhh THAT poll. LOL. I think someone posted it already but I'll retoast

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · October 14, 2015, 01:41:48 PM

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Alternative Facts · October 14, 2015, 02:08:10 PM

Quote from: Kupo on October 14, 2015, 01:32:49 PM

Quote from: Jono on October 14, 2015, 01:03:25 AM
So did Colonel Sanders win or nah
non-scientific polls and twitter say yes by a huge margin

so this is either really good or really bad for bernie's future

Also remember that Sanders supporters demographic skews far younger than any other candidate in either party - more of them are on multiple social media pages. Not saying this'll change the results out it Sanders' favor, but going off a non-scientific poll is terrible.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · October 14, 2015, 02:35:02 PM

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cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 14, 2015, 02:51:46 PM

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Anonymous (User Deleted) · October 14, 2015, 03:56:48 PM

Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 14, 2015, 02:08:10 PM

Quote from: Kupo on October 14, 2015, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Jono on October 14, 2015, 01:03:25 AM
So did Colonel Sanders win or nah
non-scientific polls and twitter say yes by a huge margin

so this is either really good or really bad for bernie's future

Also remember that Sanders supporters demographic skews far younger than any other candidate in either party - more of them are on multiple social media pages. Not saying this'll change the results out it Sanders' favor, but going off a non-scientific poll is terrible.

That's exactly why I said 'non-scientific'. But reminder that Donald Trump had similar results and became the GOP front-runner.

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First impressions: Who won?

Democratic Primary Debate #1: First impressions, who won?