Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 08:13:44 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 01, 2015, 08:03:56 PMQuote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 08:01:13 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 01, 2015, 07:58:36 PMQuote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 06:05:31 PM"Donald Trump has no foreign policy."Donald Trump addresses foreign trade agreements, conflict in the Middle East, and the Iran nuclear deal.http://youtu.be/yrYeiZskucY"Donald Trump has no real plan to carry out domestic policy."Donald Trump talks domestic policy, including national healthcare and tax reform.http://youtu.be/NwIL6imI6EUtalking about an issue =/= having a planNotice how these alleged "plans" are completely absent from his campaign website:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positionsOh my fu-... He said he'd impose sanctions on Iran, negotiate the release of prisoners, and let Russia fight ISIS in Syria? How is that not specific?! What do you people want?!Bits and pieces of a non-existent foreign policy? I need more than that.Non-existent foreign policy. Kek. Obama has a non-existent foreign policy. What do you want then?Oh you mean like where he killed Osama? Or opened up talks with Iran, Cuba, China and other enemies to try and create a safer world? Or maybe the drone strikes resulting in key members from several terrorist groups being killed?Fuck outta here.
Quote from: Kupo on October 01, 2015, 08:03:56 PMQuote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 08:01:13 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 01, 2015, 07:58:36 PMQuote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 06:05:31 PM"Donald Trump has no foreign policy."Donald Trump addresses foreign trade agreements, conflict in the Middle East, and the Iran nuclear deal.http://youtu.be/yrYeiZskucY"Donald Trump has no real plan to carry out domestic policy."Donald Trump talks domestic policy, including national healthcare and tax reform.http://youtu.be/NwIL6imI6EUtalking about an issue =/= having a planNotice how these alleged "plans" are completely absent from his campaign website:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positionsOh my fu-... He said he'd impose sanctions on Iran, negotiate the release of prisoners, and let Russia fight ISIS in Syria? How is that not specific?! What do you people want?!Bits and pieces of a non-existent foreign policy? I need more than that.Non-existent foreign policy. Kek. Obama has a non-existent foreign policy. What do you want then?
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 08:01:13 PMQuote from: Kupo on October 01, 2015, 07:58:36 PMQuote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 06:05:31 PM"Donald Trump has no foreign policy."Donald Trump addresses foreign trade agreements, conflict in the Middle East, and the Iran nuclear deal.http://youtu.be/yrYeiZskucY"Donald Trump has no real plan to carry out domestic policy."Donald Trump talks domestic policy, including national healthcare and tax reform.http://youtu.be/NwIL6imI6EUtalking about an issue =/= having a planNotice how these alleged "plans" are completely absent from his campaign website:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positionsOh my fu-... He said he'd impose sanctions on Iran, negotiate the release of prisoners, and let Russia fight ISIS in Syria? How is that not specific?! What do you people want?!Bits and pieces of a non-existent foreign policy? I need more than that.
Quote from: Kupo on October 01, 2015, 07:58:36 PMQuote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 06:05:31 PM"Donald Trump has no foreign policy."Donald Trump addresses foreign trade agreements, conflict in the Middle East, and the Iran nuclear deal.http://youtu.be/yrYeiZskucY"Donald Trump has no real plan to carry out domestic policy."Donald Trump talks domestic policy, including national healthcare and tax reform.http://youtu.be/NwIL6imI6EUtalking about an issue =/= having a planNotice how these alleged "plans" are completely absent from his campaign website:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positionsOh my fu-... He said he'd impose sanctions on Iran, negotiate the release of prisoners, and let Russia fight ISIS in Syria? How is that not specific?! What do you people want?!
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 06:05:31 PM"Donald Trump has no foreign policy."Donald Trump addresses foreign trade agreements, conflict in the Middle East, and the Iran nuclear deal.http://youtu.be/yrYeiZskucY"Donald Trump has no real plan to carry out domestic policy."Donald Trump talks domestic policy, including national healthcare and tax reform.http://youtu.be/NwIL6imI6EUtalking about an issue =/= having a planNotice how these alleged "plans" are completely absent from his campaign website:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
"Donald Trump has no foreign policy."Donald Trump addresses foreign trade agreements, conflict in the Middle East, and the Iran nuclear deal.http://youtu.be/yrYeiZskucY"Donald Trump has no real plan to carry out domestic policy."Donald Trump talks domestic policy, including national healthcare and tax reform.http://youtu.be/NwIL6imI6EU
I see the new blood is getting rolled around in the drier. Smell that drama train incoming, choo choo.
1.) The military killed Osama, not your precious president. They're also the ones carrying out these sporadic drone strikes.
2.) I seriously have no idea why liberals keep calling Iran moderate. They're the number one sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East. Not to mention the various American civilians that they have in Iranian prisons.
Get YOUR sorry ass out of my thread.
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:03:52 PM1.) The military killed Osama, not your precious president. They're also the ones carrying out these sporadic drone strikes.The President is the Commander in Chief - he leads the military, he gives the direct order when it comes to high value targets. He did not conduct the investigation, no. But while he could have pulled a Bill Clinton and chosen not to engage, he went through with it. Risky, but it payed off, and Obama deserves credit for going through with it, as do the military personnel who engaged. Quote2.) I seriously have no idea why liberals keep calling Iran moderate. They're the number one sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East. Not to mention the various American civilians that they have in Iranian prisons.They are no more moderate or extreme than, say, Saudi Arabia. QuoteGet YOUR sorry ass out of my thread.Both of you, debate the issue and knock it off with this shit. I'm sure you don't want a first Serious warning within a week of joining, so debate the issue and only the issue.
1.) Anyone would have sent our military to kill that bastard. It takes a small degree of bravery to tell someone else to do something. The military deserves all the credit.
2.) Saudi Arabia doesn't claim to want us dead. Nor do they (to my knowledge) scream "Death to America!" in the streets. Iran is 'literally' the number one sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East. Hamas and Hezbollah are allies to the Iranian government.
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:17:54 PM1.) Anyone would have sent our military to kill that bastard. It takes a small degree of bravery to tell someone else to do something. The military deserves all the credit.And the President is the Commander in Chief. He gets some of the credit as well.Quote2.) Saudi Arabia doesn't claim to want us dead. Nor do they (to my knowledge) scream "Death to America!" in the streets. Iran is 'literally' the number one sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East. Hamas and Hezbollah are allies to the Iranian government. Saudi Arabia is also a country that systematically carries out the death penalty, routinely circumvents basic human rights in speech, religion, voices in government, treats women as second class citizens, terrible conditions for LGBT citizens.Aside from being a US ally (Thanks oil!), how are they any different than Iran?
They aren't trying to kill us.
Aside from being a US ALLY (Thanks oil!), how are they any different than Iran?
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:03:52 PM1.) The military killed Osama, not your precious president. They're also the ones carrying out these sporadic drone strikes.You realize he helps command these operations and authorizes the drone strikes? QuoteBTW those drone strikes have a plethora of issues packaged with them (example: collateral damage). The attacks have been criticized by people on both sides of the isle.Only fucking idiots think drone strikes are bad. Do you realize how much more collateral damage and wasted American lives there would be if we sent troops instead of drones?Quote2.) I seriously have no idea why liberals keep calling Iran moderate. They're the number one sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East. Not to mention the various American civilians that they have in Iranian prisons.Iran isn't moderate. I'm not sure what the hell you're ranting about. QuoteWhen the nuclear talks started Obama's administration 'didn't want to complicate the agreement' with negotiating the prisoners' release.And that was disappointing, but there's things going on behind the scenes we aren't aware of. Frankly, I think it's a failure on the government's part and I would've made the sanctions harsher and demanded they freed ALL Americans. QuoteOn top of that, they lifted sanctions that have been exposed on Iran for years. And what do we have to show for this shit?! A shitty deal where Iran polices their own nuclear program and denies us access to inspections. They will get a nuclear weapon. And when they do Iran will use their weapons for terror like they have already and Israel will have to respond to prevent a nuclear attack. This deal puts our allies in danger and makes the world less safe.This is where you're wrong and misunderstand the deal and Iran's intentions with a nuclear arsenal. Quote3.) Obama went on an 'apology tour' after he was elected to the presidency. Essentially sucking off Middle Eastern leaders as a way of saying we've diminished our role in the area. On top of that, he removed our forces from Iraq instead of leavening a residual ground force to prevent groups from forming in the power vacuum. Because we left without leaving a ground force, ISIS rose to power.LOLISIS was going to rise to power either way. This is a problem Bush created by having Saddam removed.QuoteGet YOUR sorry ass out of my thread.No thanks, Mr "I don't have time but I actually do and I'm scared to debate you because I don't have any facts backing up my argument". How can you blame Obama for the shit Halle img in the Middle East when it was FUBAR before he even got into office?
BTW those drone strikes have a plethora of issues packaged with them (example: collateral damage). The attacks have been criticized by people on both sides of the isle.
When the nuclear talks started Obama's administration 'didn't want to complicate the agreement' with negotiating the prisoners' release.
On top of that, they lifted sanctions that have been exposed on Iran for years. And what do we have to show for this shit?! A shitty deal where Iran polices their own nuclear program and denies us access to inspections. They will get a nuclear weapon. And when they do Iran will use their weapons for terror like they have already and Israel will have to respond to prevent a nuclear attack. This deal puts our allies in danger and makes the world less safe.
3.) Obama went on an 'apology tour' after he was elected to the presidency. Essentially sucking off Middle Eastern leaders as a way of saying we've diminished our role in the area. On top of that, he removed our forces from Iraq instead of leavening a residual ground force to prevent groups from forming in the power vacuum. Because we left without leaving a ground force, ISIS rose to power.
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:31:43 PMThey aren't trying to kill us.QuoteAside from being a US ALLY (Thanks oil!), how are they any different than Iran?
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 03:33:16 PMQuote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:31:43 PMThey aren't trying to kill us.QuoteAside from being a US ALLY (Thanks oil!), how are they any different than Iran?Iran openly funds terrorism. Saudis aren't (to my knowledge).
While Saudi Arabia is often a secondary source of funds and support for terror movements who can find more motivated and ideologically invested benefactors (e.g. Qatar), Saudi Arabia remains perhaps the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, allegedly supporting groups as disparate as the Afghanistan Taliban, Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Al-Nusra Front.Saudi Arabia is said to be the world's largest source of funds and promoter of Salafist jihadism,[95] which forms the ideological basis of terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS and others. Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide, according to Hillary Clinton.[96] According to a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state, "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups."
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:38:05 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 03:33:16 PMQuote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:31:43 PMThey aren't trying to kill us.QuoteAside from being a US ALLY (Thanks oil!), how are they any different than Iran?Iran openly funds terrorism. Saudis aren't (to my knowledge).QuoteWhile Saudi Arabia is often a secondary source of funds and support for terror movements who can find more motivated and ideologically invested benefactors (e.g. Qatar), Saudi Arabia remains perhaps the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, You were saying?
While Saudi Arabia is often a secondary source of funds and support for terror movements who can find more motivated and ideologically invested benefactors (e.g. Qatar), Saudi Arabia remains perhaps the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism,
Allow me to be more specific: Saudi Arabia's government hasn't declared us an enemy. The people may hate us, but the government doesn't.
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 04:24:21 PMAllow me to be more specific: Saudi Arabia's government hasn't declared us an enemy. The people may hate us, but the government doesn't.Which solely stems from the United States providing billions in aid and an ally over oil.They are no better than Iran, but we ally with them and provide cash, giving them incentive to not hate us.
Hezbollah isn't a terrorist organization. They're more Iran's private Army than anything. And Saudi Arabia funds the terrorists that have directly attacked us. No member of Hezbollah has ever attacked American targets on American soil, and especially not civilians. Nassrallah has openly and publicly condemned Al Qaeda for their attacks on 9/11 calling them cowards and degenerates. I'm not defending Hezbollah, but they're not terrorists. We need to view them for what they really are, which is a powerful military force in the Middle East hellbent on destroying Israel and fighting Iran's shadow war.
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:35:55 PM1.)Iran's intentions are clear. They are a nation of radicals that want the west eradicated.The government is crazy. It's not an entire nation filled with "radicals". Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. Quote2.)So you agree with Republicans on the Iran deal?Nope. I agree with getting a better deal, not the fictional bullshit republicans talk about and promise they would have accomplished. QuoteTrump wants to raise sanctions against Iran and renegotiate. We ought to have the authority to inspect their programs at the very least.You really need to read up on this instead of getting your info from Fox News. Quote3.)You do realize I said that last night. And by all means, I am not afraid of debate, I simply have no time for ignorant and vulgar degenerates like you.You seem to have a lot of free time. Quote4.) Can we fucking stop with the insults?QuoteI simply have no time for ignorant and vulgar degenerates like you.
1.)Iran's intentions are clear. They are a nation of radicals that want the west eradicated.
2.)So you agree with Republicans on the Iran deal?
Trump wants to raise sanctions against Iran and renegotiate. We ought to have the authority to inspect their programs at the very least.
3.)You do realize I said that last night. And by all means, I am not afraid of debate, I simply have no time for ignorant and vulgar degenerates like you.
4.) Can we fucking stop with the insults?
I simply have no time for ignorant and vulgar degenerates like you.
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 04:45:31 PM1.) Middle Eastern countries like Iran are comprised of 'extremists'. People who openly support jihad and sharia law. That's what I mean.Just because the country has extremist people that does mean the entire country is full of extremist people. Quote2.) What promise would you consider fictional?Any promise made by a republican. Quote3.) You're really going to use Fox as an insult? God, you're hopeless. Fuck the media. Fox has been as big a dick to Trump as CNN and MSNBC.Don't say Our Lord and Savior's name in vain. And I'm saying YOU get your info from Fox, I'm not talking about Trump. Quote4.) I don't see where we disagree on the Iran deal, please tell me what you'd have done.I already did. Quote5.) I have free time, yeah. Not sure where you're going with this."I don't have time""I have time"
1.) Middle Eastern countries like Iran are comprised of 'extremists'. People who openly support jihad and sharia law. That's what I mean.
2.) What promise would you consider fictional?
3.) You're really going to use Fox as an insult? God, you're hopeless. Fuck the media. Fox has been as big a dick to Trump as CNN and MSNBC.
4.) I don't see where we disagree on the Iran deal, please tell me what you'd have done.
5.) I have free time, yeah. Not sure where you're going with this.
Quote from: Septy on October 01, 2015, 06:19:45 PMTrump thinks vaccines give you autismThat's all you need to knowI'm not sure why that's such a big deal.
Trump thinks vaccines give you autismThat's all you need to know
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 01, 2015, 06:23:43 PMQuote from: Septy on October 01, 2015, 06:19:45 PMTrump thinks vaccines give you autismThat's all you need to knowI'm not sure why that's such a big deal.It promotes ignorance which gets carried on to latter generations. There's also the problem that since he thinks it gives autism he may be against things like stem cell research. That type of thinking does nothing more than hold us back and it's worse when your countries leader thinks it since any type of pogrom they are against won't get funded right no matter how good it is.
Defending Donald Trump
