Court precedence is set. Police can kill you...

DAS B00T x2 · June 20, 2017, 08:46:55 PM

simply for having a firearm on your person legally as a law abiding citizen because it makes them feel sacred.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/us/police-shooting-castile-trial-video.html

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This is a dangerous ruling with far reaching consequences beyond racial tensions.

Cindy · June 20, 2017, 09:03:04 PM

If you're a black dude, at least

Nick McIntyre · June 20, 2017, 09:08:32 PM

This whole incident was just bad for both parties. The cop was extremely jumpy and trigger happy. Castille should have told them where his gun was located (I know you don't have to, but that's just my two cents) and not make sudden movements.

It's still a travesty that the cop gets off scot-free. He should never wear a badge again.

DAS B00T x2 · June 20, 2017, 09:12:35 PM

Quote from: Cindy on June 20, 2017, 09:03:04 PM

If you're a black dude, at least

Honestly, I feel like it would have held up either way.

Cindy · June 20, 2017, 09:17:15 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 09:12:35 PM

Quote from: Cindy on June 20, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
If you're a black dude, at least
Honestly, I feel like it would have held up either way.

I mean, at the point where he'd been shot - probably, yeah. Cops covering their own asses has nothing to do with racial biases imo.

But I doubt the shooting itself would've happened in the first place if he wasn't a black dude.

Luciana · June 20, 2017, 09:18:43 PM

Yeah, I don't understand how police are getting off quite literally scot-free from all this stuff recently. Some I do understand, but why is there literally absolutely NOTHING happening in almost every single case? Not even a slap on the wrist, a fine, a suspension, demotion, etc.

It's bad not just for civilians either, but the stigma that goes against cops as well.

My dad went through the same shit with a cop where he asked for his drivers license and the cop told him to not reach for his gun when he clearly wasn't (though in this case my dad has concealed carry and it was on him. He let the cop know though). Thankfully my dad was a marine for 24 years, is currently a fire arms instructor, and most importantly - is white.

DAS B00T x2 · June 20, 2017, 09:23:26 PM

Quote from: Luciana on June 20, 2017, 09:18:43 PM

Yeah, I don't understand how police are getting off quite literally scot-free from all this stuff recently. Some I do understand, but why is there literally absolutely NOTHING happening in almost every single case? Not even a slap on the wrist, a fine, a suspension, demotion, etc.

He's being separated, iirc, and it's most likely that no other department or state will hire him for fear of violent publish backlash.

Luciana · June 20, 2017, 09:25:27 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 09:23:26 PM

Quote from: Luciana on June 20, 2017, 09:18:43 PM
Yeah, I don't understand how police are getting off quite literally scot-free from all this stuff recently. Some I do understand, but why is there literally absolutely NOTHING happening in almost every single case? Not even a slap on the wrist, a fine, a suspension, demotion, etc.
He's being separated, iirc, and it's most likely that no other department or state will hire him for fear of violent publish backlash.

I see. Still, I don't feel that's enough. If you botch something like that and have an itchy trigger finger, re-evaluate the guy and/or re-train him. That takes common sense in almost every other sort of work force. I don't get why it's different with police departments.

And at the very most, hire an independent judge to investigate because the cops work FOR the judge that is trying them. It's like this retarded loop. I'm not even saying "fuck da police" or whatever. This seems like common sense stuff that just isn't happening. I get it takes ages for big corporations to turn things around, but damn it just keeps happening and the same process happens time and time again. At this point it's just an eyeroll and "what a surprise" thing.

DAS B00T x2 · June 20, 2017, 09:29:18 PM

Quote from: Cindy on June 20, 2017, 09:17:15 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Cindy on June 20, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
If you're a black dude, at least
Honestly, I feel like it would have held up either way.
I mean, at the point where he'd been shot - probably, yeah. Cops covering their own asses has nothing to do with racial biases imo.

But I doubt the shooting itself would've happened in the first place if he wasn't a black dude.

Debatable. I've had white friends that were treated more belligerently (for the lack of a better term) by a cop during routine stops/interactions when the officer spotted their CWL in their wallet or when notified of a license to carry.

As crazy as I might sound, the problem lies in the mentality of police officers. They are not soldiers trying to come home from Afghanistan. They are common citizens that agreed to lay their life on the line for their community, and they should be damn happy to die to make their municipality a better place as opposed to worrying about coming home alive every night.

Cindy · June 20, 2017, 09:34:09 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 09:29:18 PM

Quote from: Cindy on June 20, 2017, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Cindy on June 20, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
If you're a black dude, at least
Honestly, I feel like it would have held up either way.
I mean, at the point where he'd been shot - probably, yeah. Cops covering their own asses has nothing to do with racial biases imo.

But I doubt the shooting itself would've happened in the first place if he wasn't a black dude.
Debatable. I've had white friends that were treated more belligerently (for the lack of a better term) by a cop during routine stops/interactions when the officer spotted their CWL in their wallet or when notified of a license to carry.

As crazy as I might sound, the problem lies in the mentality of police officers. They are not soldiers trying to come home from Afghanistan. They are common citizens that agreed to lay their life on the line for their community, and they should be damn happy to die to make their municipality a better place as opposed to worrying about coming home alive every night.

Oh, police definitely treat open carriers more poorly regardless of race, sure. Not arguing that. You can find thousands of youtube videos of people being harassed for doing so perfectly legally.

I'm just saying he probably wouldn't have been shot and killed if he were white. Just, y'know, tazed and beaten and generally horribly mistreated.

Luciana · June 20, 2017, 09:34:59 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 09:29:18 PM

As crazy as I might sound, the problem lies in the mentality of police officers.

I like the sarcasm

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They are not soldiers trying to come home from Afghanistan. They are common citizens that agreed to lay their life on the line for their community, and they should be damn happy to die to make their municipality a better place as opposed to worrying about coming home alive every night.

It's a shame cops get paid like shit. It's also a shame though that the accountability for police seems to be non existent, and often times they seem themselves as above the law.

The culture surrounding it all stinks. From the top all the way down.

DAS B00T x2 · June 20, 2017, 09:43:21 PM

Quote from: Luciana on June 20, 2017, 09:34:59 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
As crazy as I might sound, the problem lies in the mentality of police officers.
I like the sarcasm

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They are not soldiers trying to come home from Afghanistan. They are common citizens that agreed to lay their life on the line for their community, and they should be damn happy to die to make their municipality a better place as opposed to worrying about coming home alive every night.
It's a shame cops get paid like shit. It's also a shame though that the accountability for police seems to be non existent, and often times they seem themselves as above the law.

The culture surrounding it all stinks. From the top all the way down.

No sarcasm, hun. At the end of the day, the fault of pulling a trigger rests upon the man who fired the first shot. Police seem to have this warrior mentality, and maybe in extreme places like Chicago or Detroit it's warranted, of if you're FDA, ATF, or FBI involved in a legitimate operation (ie, not Ruby Ridge) but too many officers don't see themselves as what they actually are, servants of the public. They should answer to us the public, not the appointed state or federal government.

Luciana · June 20, 2017, 10:06:36 PM

Oh, I thought it was sarcasm simply because of how obviously true what you said was, and that I thought people knew that the guy behind the gun might not be the best person in a pressure filled moment.

I agree with all you say though.

challengerX · June 21, 2017, 03:45:20 AM

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FatherlyNick - fuck putin · June 21, 2017, 05:31:49 AM

Honestly why do you need Police in the US if every citizen is their own officer with a gun?

Abolish police 20!7

Genghis Khan · June 21, 2017, 06:12:07 AM

Reduce the size of government to minimal.

Super Irish · June 21, 2017, 07:04:39 AM

What if he never said he had a weapon on him?

I'm not defending the officer (he got pretty fuckin' jumpy after hearing he was carrying), but I wonder what were the odds of a continued polite discussion carrying on if he'd not said a word and handed over his ID. Was the gun in his pocket where his wallet was, or in one of those holster-strap things.

Luciana · June 21, 2017, 08:46:40 AM

Quote from: Môr-ladron on June 21, 2017, 07:04:39 AM

What if he never said he had a weapon on him?

I'm not defending the officer (he got pretty fuckin' jumpy after hearing he was carrying), but I wonder what were the odds of a continued polite discussion carrying on if he'd not said a word and handed over his ID. Was the gun in his pocket where his wallet was, or in one of those holster-strap things.

And then the cop finds it by surprise by chance possibly and it gets even worse. I remember before the commentary was "if you have a weapon let the officer know" in regards to blacks handling cops. But when you do you're going to get shot anyway?

There is literally no way of winning.

challengerX · June 21, 2017, 09:39:11 AM

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Turkey · June 21, 2017, 06:58:01 PM

Seriously though, why the fuck aren't conservatives rioting over this issue? Not just that the guy was legally carrying, but over the flagrant injustice of numerous completely unjustified killings by government employees.

Why are conservatives so silent about this issue?

challengerX · June 21, 2017, 07:10:48 PM

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Genghis Khan · June 21, 2017, 07:56:41 PM

If it had been a white male nobody would have given a fuck.

Luciana · June 21, 2017, 08:27:58 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 21, 2017, 07:10:48 PM

Quote from: WarTurkey on June 21, 2017, 06:58:01 PM
Seriously though, why the fuck aren't conservatives rioting over this issue? Not just that the guy was legally carrying, but over the flagrant injustice of numerous completely unjustified killings by government employees.

Why are conservatives so silent about this issue?
It's a real mystery.

Probably because cop killings envoke a more rapid response from the left, and Republicans are ultra supportive of police institutions/status quo's.

challengerX · June 22, 2017, 03:13:03 AM

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Mattie G Indahouse · June 22, 2017, 04:39:30 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 08:46:55 PM

he video does not show images that might have been essential for jurors to consider: a full view of the front seat of Mr. Castile’s car, which would have showed his hands — and what he was reaching for — just before the shooting.

I'm looking forward to the day where we have the tech to make a video camera which is small enough to wear on your body, which would be able to capture the PoV actions taking by the cop during each patrol.

Luciana · June 22, 2017, 08:03:23 AM

Quote from: challengerX on June 22, 2017, 03:13:03 AM

Quote from: Luciana on June 21, 2017, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 21, 2017, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: WarTurkey on June 21, 2017, 06:58:01 PM
Seriously though, why the fuck aren't conservatives rioting over this issue? Not just that the guy was legally carrying, but over the flagrant injustice of numerous completely unjustified killings by government employees.

Why are conservatives so silent about this issue?
It's a real mystery.
Probably because cop killings envoke a more rapid response from the left, and Republicans are ultra supportive of police institutions/status quo's.
I was being sarcastic.

Yeah I didn't catch that cuz I was way too high when replying I think

my bad

Luciana · June 22, 2017, 08:04:04 AM

Quote from: Mattie G Indahouse on June 22, 2017, 04:39:30 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
he video does not show images that might have been essential for jurors to consider: a full view of the front seat of Mr. Castile’s car, which would have showed his hands — and what he was reaching for — just before the shooting.
I'm looking forward to the day where we have the tech to make a video camera which is small enough to wear on your body, which would be able to capture the PoV actions taking by the cop during each patrol.

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DAS B00T x2 · June 22, 2017, 10:17:23 AM

Quote from: Mattie G Indahouse on June 22, 2017, 04:39:30 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on June 20, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
he video does not show images that might have been essential for jurors to consider: a full view of the front seat of Mr. Castile’s car, which would have showed his hands — and what he was reaching for — just before the shooting.
I'm looking forward to the day where we have the tech to make a video camera which is small enough to wear on your body, which would be able to capture the PoV actions taking by the cop during each patrol.

body cameras kill

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Genghis Khan · June 22, 2017, 10:30:31 AM

Where are the Libertarians in America? Is Alex Jones the only one?

DAS B00T x2 · June 22, 2017, 11:40:29 AM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on June 22, 2017, 10:30:31 AM

Where are the Libertarians in America? Is Alex Jones the only one?

Jessie Ventura is still hunting aliens in the southwest, Gary Johnson is out attackig that hill with his mountain bike, John McAfee is on a wicked crazy coke binge, and I'm in hiding from the DEA and CDC for committing a biological attack on a local mosque (swear to odin it was a mistake, I just forgot I had bacon in my pockets)

So yes, Alex Jones is the last voice of libertarianism.