A man was shot and killed by a police officer Tuesday in Berkeley, Missouri, authorities said -- sparking new unrest in a region already reeling following an August police shooting a few miles away in Ferguson.The shooting happened at 11:15 p.m. Tuesday at a Mobil gas station, St. Louis County Chief of Police Jon Belmar said in a morning news conference.Belmar said police visited the gas station when a report of a larceny came in. The victim, who is 18 years old, pointed a gun at the officer, sparking the deadly shooting, Belmar said."Bad choices were made," Belmar said. "This individual could have complied, he could have ran away, he could have dropped the gun."The shooting sparked a new wave of unrest in the region, which has been wracked by anxiety following the August shooting of Michael Brown, 18, in nearby Ferguson. Following Tuesday’s shooting, a crowd of 200 to 300 people swarmed the gas station, with four people arrested and a police officer sustaining a leg injury, Belmar said.St. Louis County Police released surveillance video today showing the moments before the shooting. The officer can be seen parking his vehicle, and a conversation ensues. The man’s arm appears to be raised -- but the video is inconclusive, captured from the side of the building a considerable distance away.Belmar said the officer was assigned a body camera on Tuesday, but was not wearing it at the time of the shooting. Additionally, the vehicle's dashboard camera was likely not in use.The officer -- a six-year veteran of the Berkeley police department, age 34 and white -- fired three rounds, with one round striking the victim, Belmar said.Belmar declined to release the victim’s name or race, but said the man’s criminal record includes assault and armed robbery charges.Toni Martin identified the victim as her son, Antonio Martin. Toni Martin told reporters at the scene that her son was with his girlfriend at the time of the shooting and refuted police claims that her son was carrying a gun.He was trying to get his life back on track after getting expelled from school, she said.“He was a good young man,” she said.
Belmar said the officer was assigned a body camera on Tuesday, but was not wearing it at the time of the shooting. Additionally, the vehicle's dashboard camera was likely not in use.
Could have just wounded him.
Quote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AMCould have just wounded him.God, I hate when people make this argument.That's not how it works. Shooting to injure is highly unreliable. You shoot for the center of mass to disable the threat.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AMCould have just wounded him.God, I hate when people make this argument.That's not how it works. Shooting to injure is highly unreliable. You shoot for the center of mass to disable the threat.Thats a terribly american thing to say.Im just saying >.>
Finnish police only shot 6 times this year.
Quote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:52:42 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AMCould have just wounded him.God, I hate when people make this argument.That's not how it works. Shooting to injure is highly unreliable. You shoot for the center of mass to disable the threat.Thats a terribly american thing to say.Im just saying >.>That's how firearm training works. Not only is shooting to injure/disarm VERY difficult, especially on a moving target or from a vehicle with a handgun, but even if you do shoot the person in the leg or arm, the threat isn't eliminated. You also increase the risk of injuring innocent bystanders.QuoteFinnish police only shot 6 times this year...ok?
Quote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:54:44 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:52:42 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AMCould have just wounded him.God, I hate when people make this argument.That's not how it works. Shooting to injure is highly unreliable. You shoot for the center of mass to disable the threat.Thats a terribly american thing to say.Im just saying >.>That's how firearm training works. Not only is shooting to injure/disarm VERY difficult, especially on a moving target or from a vehicle with a handgun, but even if you do shoot the person in the leg or arm, the threat isn't eliminated. You also increase the risk of injuring innocent bystanders.QuoteFinnish police only shot 6 times this year...ok?Well then. The training there must be lack luster.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:54:44 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:52:42 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AMCould have just wounded him.God, I hate when people make this argument.That's not how it works. Shooting to injure is highly unreliable. You shoot for the center of mass to disable the threat.Thats a terribly american thing to say.Im just saying >.>That's how firearm training works. Not only is shooting to injure/disarm VERY difficult, especially on a moving target or from a vehicle with a handgun, but even if you do shoot the person in the leg or arm, the threat isn't eliminated. You also increase the risk of injuring innocent bystanders.QuoteFinnish police only shot 6 times this year...ok?Well then. The training there must be lack luster.
Quote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:52:42 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AMCould have just wounded him.God, I hate when people make this argument.That's not how it works. Shooting to injure is highly unreliable. You shoot for the center of mass to disable the threat.Thats a terribly american thing to say.Im just saying >.>That's how firearm training works. Not only is shooting to injure/disarm VERY difficult, especially on a moving target or from a vehicle with a handgun, but even if you do shoot the person in the leg or arm, the threat isn't eliminated. You also increase the risk of injuring innocent bystanders.QuoteFinnish police only shot 6 times this year...ok?
Quote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AMCould have just wounded him.God, I hate when people make this argument.That's not how it works. Shooting to injure is highly unreliable. You shoot for the center of mass to disable the threat.Thats a terribly american thing to say.Im just saying >.>
Quote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:56:31 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:54:44 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:52:42 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 24, 2014, 10:51:37 AMQuote from: Ossku on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AMCould have just wounded him.God, I hate when people make this argument.That's not how it works. Shooting to injure is highly unreliable. You shoot for the center of mass to disable the threat.Thats a terribly american thing to say.Im just saying >.>That's how firearm training works. Not only is shooting to injure/disarm VERY difficult, especially on a moving target or from a vehicle with a handgun, but even if you do shoot the person in the leg or arm, the threat isn't eliminated. You also increase the risk of injuring innocent bystanders.QuoteFinnish police only shot 6 times this year...ok?Well then. The training there must be lack luster.That's standard training. You shoot to kill. Nobody's a sharpshooter that can shoot a gun out of somebody's hand. Finnish police only shot 6 times because they're not as trigger happy and there isn't as much crime. Criminals aren't armed to the teeth in Finland either.
This is why police SHOULD wear the bodycams. We wouldn't have shitstorms if we had reliable evidence in these events that conclusively shows who was at fault.
The body camera not being there is suspicious....
Pointing a gun at a cop is not a particularly good idea
Quote from: D4C on December 24, 2014, 12:28:40 PMThis is why police SHOULD wear the bodycams. We wouldn't have shitstorms if we had reliable evidence in these events that conclusively shows who was at fault.We have an entire video of Eric Garner and nothing will come of it.
Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 24, 2014, 10:46:09 AMThe body camera not being there is suspicious....Could have fell off, wasn't working right, was broken, and a few other possible explanations.There's ststill security footage of the whole thing that has been released
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 24, 2014, 02:42:37 PMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 24, 2014, 10:46:09 AMThe body camera not being there is suspicious....Could have fell off, wasn't working right, was broken, and a few other possible explanations.There's ststill security footage of the whole thing that has been releasedCameras don't just...fall off. Have you seen all the GoPro videos of people doing crazy shit? Those stay on.Wasn't working right? Surely the dept has extras they can swap out with a working one.Broken? He was issued it less than a week ago. They don't break that fast.
Cop shoots armed teen in Missouri
