I think all domestic violence is bad therefore I'm trivializing female domestic violence?
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 07, 2015, 10:14:51 AMI think all domestic violence is bad therefore I'm trivializing female domestic violence?Yes. Because you fail to recognize that breaking someone's jaw is worse than having their cheek stung for a few seconds.
Are you trying to imply that women don't have the capacity to "break someone's jaw?"Or inflict serious bodily mutilation on a man?
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 07, 2015, 10:20:06 AMAre you trying to imply that women don't have the capacity to "break someone's jaw?"Or inflict serious bodily mutilation on a man?I'm saying it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen nearly enough to warrant this dumbass attitude that male domestic violence is as much of an issue as female domestic violence.But I mean, then again, I'm not the one gendering the issue--personally, I just prefer to call it domestic violence.Gender is irrelevant.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 07, 2015, 10:24:57 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on October 07, 2015, 10:20:06 AMAre you trying to imply that women don't have the capacity to "break someone's jaw?"Or inflict serious bodily mutilation on a man?I'm saying it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen nearly enough to warrant this dumbass attitude that male domestic violence is as much of an issue as female domestic violence.But I mean, then again, I'm not the one gendering the issue--personally, I just prefer to call it domestic violence.Gender is irrelevant.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 07, 2015, 10:28:06 AMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 07, 2015, 10:24:57 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on October 07, 2015, 10:20:06 AMAre you trying to imply that women don't have the capacity to "break someone's jaw?"Or inflict serious bodily mutilation on a man?I'm saying it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen nearly enough to warrant this dumbass attitude that male domestic violence is as much of an issue as female domestic violence.But I mean, then again, I'm not the one gendering the issue--personally, I just prefer to call it domestic violence.Gender is irrelevant.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violenceYeah. 7500 slaps does not equal 50 black eyes, broken jaws, bruises, etc.At all.
Of the 6.6 million incidents of IPV in 1995, 3.25 million involved male victims, with 1 million incidents resulting in injury.
I don't exactly how you trivialize every form of domestic abuse where the woman is the offender as a "slap". Women get slapped, men get slapped; that's not the problem. There is definitely a stigma perpetrated in society that men cannot be abused, and that they should just "take it like a man."
Genocide is happening in Africa and the Middle East, but that doesn't mean Oregon isn't a tragedy. I absolutely despise the "yeah, but x is worse, so that doesn't matter" mentality.
That's not my mentality, though. Show me where I said it doesn't matter.
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110314171826/http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hors191.pdfQuoteOf the 6.6 million incidents of IPV in 1995, 3.25 million involved male victims, with 1 million incidents resulting in injury.But please, continue your magical insight into the extent of victimization within female on male domestic abuse.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 07, 2015, 10:39:56 AMThat's not my mentality, though. Show me where I said it doesn't matter.You literally said that female on male abuse is hilarious because a slap isn't the same as a broken jaw.If that isn't minimalizing, then I don't know what the fuck is.
Quote from: Prime Uta on October 07, 2015, 10:44:20 AMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 07, 2015, 10:39:56 AMThat's not my mentality, though. Show me where I said it doesn't matter.You literally said that female on male abuse is hilarious because a slap isn't the same as a broken jaw.If that isn't minimalizing, then I don't know what the fuck is.It's hilarious when people try to equate the two. Yes. HILARIOUS.
I didn't catch the part where Mordo said physical abuse was equally rampant in that post.
Quote from: Prime Uta on October 07, 2015, 10:47:10 AMI didn't catch the part where Mordo said physical abuse was equally rampant in that post.It was the first thing he mentioned as a talking point against liberalism. I was inclined to believe that he felt like it was this huge issue--which it isn't.Male on female violence is worse.
Male on female violence is more rampant. I'm not disagreeing with the GENERAL idea behind your argument, I just think you're arguing like a jackass. Abuse is abuse, one form is not worse than the other.
Relevant to the discussion though, apparently emotional abuse against female spouses is more common than physical abuse. Anything more than 0% is still too much on either account, but it shows that men are more likely to degrade than physically assault their partner.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 07, 2015, 10:37:33 AMhttp://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110314171826/http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hors191.pdfQuoteOf the 6.6 million incidents of IPV in 1995, 3.25 million involved male victims, with 1 million incidents resulting in injury.But please, continue your magical insight into the extent of victimization within female on male domestic abuse.3.25 male victims means there were 3.35 female victims.Does it say how many of those resulted in injury? Probably, like, all of them.
Quote from: Prime Uta on October 07, 2015, 10:54:29 AMMale on female violence is more rampant. I'm not disagreeing with the GENERAL idea behind your argument, I just think you're arguing like a jackass. Abuse is abuse, one form is not worse than the other.but that's so obviously not true--again, there is an academic difference between a black eye and a reddened cheekblack eyes are worse, and more women receive black eyes at the hands of men than vice-versa
I'm not sure why you think I'm positing the notion that women don't have it worse off.Yes, women are more likely to sustain injury, marginally, and yes, they account for the majority of domestic abuse victims, again marginally.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 07, 2015, 11:00:53 AMI'm not sure why you think I'm positing the notion that women don't have it worse off.Yes, women are more likely to sustain injury, marginally, and yes, they account for the majority of domestic abuse victims, again marginally.Thank you.So why in the fuck would it be the first thing you'd mention in your list of things that liberals supposedly believe?
Are you saying that women can't punch?Are you saying that women can't emotionally abuse their partner?
You can't pick and choose when abuse is okay to care about, because none of it is, regardless of the sex of the perpetrator. Ever.
When they say it doesn't matter, they're exaggerating. Because it trivializes m-on-f violence. That's what I think.
The issue of FoM abuse is piggybacking on the MoF abuse campaign, and that's because it's the only way for the issue to be brought up. Society likes to caricature women as frail and emotional, men as strong and stoic. And this is just not the case at all. It's not a problem in that it's equally as rampant as MoF physical abuse, it's that nobody cares. Bringing it up alongside its opposite is the only way it can be acknowledged.
And also in that regard, WHO says that 50% of abused women they surveyed had to take some sort of leave from work due to injuries. I would much rather have a statistic on injuries resulting in general, but it is still obvious even by that statistic that injuries inflicted in MoF abuse are more common. I'm only finding cases as high as 55.6% so far, but that still means the gap is roughly ~23%. That's a large gap, but not nearly enough to disregard FoM violence.
The appeal to bigger problems is a fallacy, yeah, but I don't think I'm committing it.I think Mordo's committing the inverse of that--the appeal to smaller problems.Just because an issue is smaller than another doesn't make it insignificant, sure.But just because the issue is smaller, doesn't make it more significant, either.I'm going to continue caring more about the bigger issue. Sorry.
Which is why I just prefer to call it domestic abuse. It probably shouldn't be a gendered issue at all
It would be positively fantastic if you would stop misrepresenting my arguments.
I have already conceded that females constitute a significant majority victims within domestic violence.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 07, 2015, 11:37:37 AMWhich is why I just prefer to call it domestic abuse. It probably shouldn't be a gendered issue at allThis right here is all that I'm saying. Abuse is abuse, regardless of what sex is abusing what. Instead of having a battle over which should be cared about, abuse in general should be an issue. Violence knows no color or ideology.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 07, 2015, 11:42:56 AMIt would be positively fantastic if you would stop misrepresenting my arguments.It would be positively fantastic if you would stop doing the same to me.QuoteI have already conceded that females constitute a significant majority victims within domestic violence.Then you're finished. That's all I wanted to see. You can piss off now.
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