Collectivist ideologies are disgusting and toxic

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 10:26:42 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:28:07 AM

Fuck the individual, tbh

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 10:29:30 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:31:24 AM

Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:29:30 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:28:07 AM
Fuck the individual, tbh
sorry but you're in a collectivist society, nobody cares what you think :^)

ideally

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 10:33:10 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:34:58 AM

Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:33:10 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:28:07 AM
Fuck the individual, tbh
sorry but you're in a collectivist society, nobody cares what you think :^)
ideally
the population is getting too low because of the last famine

we're sending you to the breeding camps. you will be compensated 55?beets for your absence from the labor force

oh i get it, this is supposed to trigger me because i'm against breeding or something

nowhere in collectivism does it say you have to breed though, so that's all right

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 10:37:01 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:40:26 AM

Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:37:01 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:34:58 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:28:07 AM
Fuck the individual, tbh
sorry but you're in a collectivist society, nobody cares what you think :^)
ideally
the population is getting too low because of the last famine

we're sending you to the breeding camps. you will be compensated 55?beets for your absence from the labor force
oh i get it, this is supposed to trigger me because i'm against breeding or something

nowhere in collectivism does it say you have to breed though, so that's all right
population is low. high council has chosen breeding camps as a solution to the problem of population. You have been selected based on desirable genes and IQ.

get on the truck now. It's for the Greater Good™

i'm actually on the high council

we decided a long time ago that breeding camps are retarded and that it would be smarter to sterilize everybody

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:43:38 AM

Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:34:58 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:28:07 AM
Fuck the individual, tbh
sorry but you're in a collectivist society, nobody cares what you think :^)
ideally
the population is getting too low because of the last famine

we're sending you to the breeding camps. you will be compensated 55?beets for your absence from the labor force
oh i get it, this is supposed to trigger me because i'm against breeding or something

nowhere in collectivism does it say you have to breed though, so that's all right
population is low. high council has chosen breeding camps as a solution to the problem of population. You have been selected based on desirable genes and IQ.

get on the truck now. It's for the Greater Good™
i'm actually on the high council

we decided a long time ago that breeding camps are retarded and that it would be smarter to sterilize everybody
are you mentally disabled?

we're rerouting this unit to the mental evaluation tent for testing

i can't both have a desirable IQ and be mentally disabled

find a better way to demonstrate the ebuls of cullectibism because you're not doing a very good job

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 10:44:48 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:45:56 AM

Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:44:48 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:43:38 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:41:41 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:34:58 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:28:07 AM
Fuck the individual, tbh
sorry but you're in a collectivist society, nobody cares what you think :^)
ideally
the population is getting too low because of the last famine

we're sending you to the breeding camps. you will be compensated 55?beets for your absence from the labor force
oh i get it, this is supposed to trigger me because i'm against breeding or something

nowhere in collectivism does it say you have to breed though, so that's all right
population is low. high council has chosen breeding camps as a solution to the problem of population. You have been selected based on desirable genes and IQ.

get on the truck now. It's for the Greater Good™
i'm actually on the high council

we decided a long time ago that breeding camps are retarded and that it would be smarter to sterilize everybody
are you mentally disabled?

we're rerouting this unit to the mental evaluation tent for testing
i can't both have a desirable IQ and be mentally disabled

find a better way to demonstrate the ebuls of cullectibism because you're not doing a very good job
this unit is failing to doublethink

Exterminate please

1984 was a shitty book

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · November 05, 2015, 10:46:12 AM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 10:47:18 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:48:33 AM

Quote from: The Lord Yardstick on November 05, 2015, 10:46:12 AM

The collective can't exist without the individual but the individual can exist without the collective.

let me just cut off all your fingers and stuff them into your pockets, then

because that way, you still have all ten of your fingers, right

doesn't matter

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · November 05, 2015, 10:50:13 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:51:35 AM

Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 10:47:18 AM

Point being, in a collectivist setting, you will be forced to do things you are deeply personally opposed to. And nobody's going to give a shit if you think it's a bad idea. You're a minority, shut the fuck up and follow for the "greater good".

you're already forced to do things you're "deeply personally" opposed to

that goes for every society ever

Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:53:20 AM

Quote from: The Lord Yardstick on November 05, 2015, 10:50:13 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 05, 2015, 10:48:33 AM
Quote from: The Lord Yardstick on November 05, 2015, 10:46:12 AM
The collective can't exist without the individual but the individual can exist without the collective.
let me just cut off all your fingers and stuff them into your pockets, then

because that way, you still have all ten of your fingers, right

doesn't matter
Fingers and people

Stellar analogy friendo

in order to have a functioning hand, you need your fingers intact and working together

in order to have a functioning society, you need to have people working together

i didn't think it was that complicated, but i'm glad that we're collectively able to collaborate and work on this troubling analogy together, friendo

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · November 05, 2015, 10:54:25 AM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 10:55:09 AM

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Jim · November 05, 2015, 10:56:14 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: The Lord Yardstick on November 05, 2015, 10:54:25 AM

People working together =\= a collectivist society where people are forced to work together

there's no real difference, but i mean, whatever

that's not necessarily what a collectivist society entails anyway

collectivism just means group priority--however you achieve that is gonna vary, but it doesn't have to be forced

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 11:01:14 AM

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Verbatim · November 05, 2015, 11:02:41 AM

Quote from: Διομήδης on November 05, 2015, 11:01:14 AM

collectivism is largely tied to the notion of a greater universal good and other consequentialist bullshit that necessarily entails coercion.

unless you can provide incentive, which is the only tricky part

working for the greater good should be all the incentive you need, tbh

but it just doesn't work that way for some people
(because they're selfish cunts)

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 11:07:30 AM

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eggsalad · November 05, 2015, 01:05:29 PM

I find it kind of laughable that you try to assert with moral authority that there is no moral authority.

Tsirist · November 05, 2015, 01:16:21 PM

What is true civility anyways? And by definition there is no society that places the individual above the collective; otherwise the society would be useless and meaningless, and you would have total anarchy, a state in which the individual is, by the laws of the definition of anarchy, considered more important than the collective. The pesky thing about humans is that their social tendencies will, at that point, cause them to form groups with rules, and then you have society again. Civil society? Maybe not. But I'm not sure what you think of as civil anyways.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 03:01:35 PM

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Tsirist · November 05, 2015, 03:07:41 PM

You can't agree with me that there is no society that places the individual above the collective and then come around and say that this anarchic society you refer to has at least one rule that prevents individuals from pursuing certain courses of action. Which one is it?

What if I want, as an individual, to establish a violent society? Wouldn't you then have to compromise my right to say "no" to your anarchic society if you wanted the anarchy to survive? This is why it isn't possible.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 05, 2015, 03:17:59 PM

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