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Quote from: Flee on September 26, 2014, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that

Which is a lie and fairy tale?

Are you talking about Santa, Easter Bunny, ect? Will you really not have your child believe in santa?

 
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Quote from: Flee on September 26, 2014, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that
I'm not implying or saying that at all.
But hey, say what you want.

 
 
 
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that
I'm not implying or saying that at all.
But hey, say what you want.
Did you not just imply that it would be better to teach children the teachings of the bible rather than subjects like science?


 
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that
I'm not implying or saying that at all.
But hey, say what you want.
Did you not just imply that it would be better to teach children the teachings of the bible rather than subjects like science?
*facepalms
No. Both are necessary, you just group the Christian Faith with fairy tales simply because you don't believe it.

That's quite arrogant of you to believe yourself absolutely right on that matter. I have things to do today, and you aren't really contributing to the conversation, so I'm done for today. Maybe later I'll pick it back up.

 
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>religion

>being a source of morality

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Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>Christianity

>being a source of morality

This fucking guy
Fixed, and thanks.
Last Edit: September 26, 2014, 12:03:46 PM by Rocketman287

 
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Quote from: Flee on September 26, 2014, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that

Which is a lie and fairy tale?

Are you talking about Santa, Easter Bunny, ect? Will you really not have your child believe in santa?
Did you just compare god to santa

 
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>Christianity

>being a source of morality

This fucking guy
Fixed, and thanks.
Are you trying to say that Christianity isn't a source of morality but other religions are?

Or are you trying to say it's the only one that is?

I don't get what you're trying to do with that post

 
 
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Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:03:48 PM
Quote from: PSU on September 26, 2014, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Flee on September 26, 2014, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that

Which is a lie and fairy tale?

Are you talking about Santa, Easter Bunny, ect? Will you really not have your child believe in santa?
Did you just compare god to santa
Nope. You guys did.

 
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Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:03:48 PM
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that

Which is a lie and fairy tale?

Are you talking about Santa, Easter Bunny, ect? Will you really not have your child believe in santa?
Did you just compare god to santa
Nope. You guys did.
No, you're the one who brought Santa into the discussion.

It sounds a whole lot like you were implying kids should be taught about religion for the same reason we tell kids santa stories

 
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Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:29:00 PM
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that

Which is a lie and fairy tale?

Are you talking about Santa, Easter Bunny, ect? Will you really not have your child believe in santa?
Did you just compare god to santa
Nope. You guys did.
No, you're the one who brought Santa into the discussion.

It sounds a whole lot like you were implying kids should be taught about religion for the same reason we tell kids santa stories

Nope, must just be you misunderstanding it.

 
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>Christianity

>being a source of morality

This fucking guy
Fixed, and thanks.
Are you trying to say that Christianity isn't a source of morality but other religions are?

Or are you trying to say it's the only one that is?

I don't get what you're trying to do with that post
You know I'm a christian. You don't have to play dumb, I'm obviously saying Christianity is a source of morality.

Challenger, seriously? Actually contribute to the discussion or don't post. I've said nothing to you, what are you mad about now?

 
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
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Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>Christianity

>being a source of morality

This fucking guy
Fixed, and thanks.
Are you trying to say that Christianity isn't a source of morality but other religions are?

Or are you trying to say it's the only one that is?

I don't get what you're trying to do with that post
You know I'm a christian. You don't have to play dumb, I'm obviously saying Christianity is a source of morality.

Challenger, seriously? Actually contribute to the discussion or don't post. I've said nothing to you, what are you mad about now?
Challenger is in a perpetual state of discontent.

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Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:29:00 PM
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that

Which is a lie and fairy tale?

Are you talking about Santa, Easter Bunny, ect? Will you really not have your child believe in santa?
Did you just compare god to santa
Nope. You guys did.
No, you're the one who brought Santa into the discussion.

It sounds a whole lot like you were implying kids should be taught about religion for the same reason we tell kids santa stories

Nope, must just be you misunderstanding it.
No, I think you goofed

If not, explain what you did mean
Last Edit: September 26, 2014, 12:53:48 PM by RustingFloor

 
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Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 26, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>Christianity

>being a source of morality

This fucking guy
Fixed, and thanks.
Are you trying to say that Christianity isn't a source of morality but other religions are?

Or are you trying to say it's the only one that is?

I don't get what you're trying to do with that post
You know I'm a christian. You don't have to play dumb, I'm obviously saying Christianity is a source of morality.

So you're endorsing my mockery while also acting as if your religion has a moral advantage over the others.

Oh do go on, please.

 
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>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that
I'm not implying or saying that at all.
But hey, say what you want.
Did you not just imply that it would be better to teach children the teachings of the bible rather than subjects like science?
*facepalms
No. Both are necessary, you just group the Christian Faith with fairy tales simply because you don't believe it.

That's quite arrogant of you to believe yourself absolutely right on that matter. I have things to do today, and you aren't really contributing to the conversation, so I'm done for today. Maybe later I'll pick it back up.
But what do you think of the stories of the Prophet Mohammed? The Nordic Eddas  and the Havamal? The Kangyur? The Pyramid Texts? Pythagoras's Verses? The Sutras of Vasugupta? The Kabir poems? The Evangelion? The Dresdren Codex? How about the  one that started the concept of modern mono-theistic religions, the Avesta?

I'm sure you hold those all no higher than a fairy tale.

 
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"I've been battling with the struggle of love and anger and the anger has won. It's impossible for me to go back to the way I was. I've tried changing back but it didn't work. I still had it in me and doubt it will ever go away. I have no control over it anymore. It has become part of me."
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>implying kids learning strong morality and to love one another isn't for the best.
>implying they need to be told lies and be made to believe in fairy tales is necessary to achieve that
I'm not implying or saying that at all.
But hey, say what you want.
Did you not just imply that it would be better to teach children the teachings of the bible rather than subjects like science?
*facepalms
No. Both are necessary, you just group the Christian Faith with fairy tales simply because you don't believe it.

That's quite arrogant of you to believe yourself absolutely right on that matter. I have things to do today, and you aren't really contributing to the conversation, so I'm done for today. Maybe later I'll pick it back up.
But what do you think of the stories of the Prophet Mohammed? The Nordic Eddas  and the Havamal? The Kangyur? The Pyramid Texts? Pythagoras's Verses? The Sutras of Vasugupta? The Kabir poems? The Evangelion? The Dresdren Codex? How about the  one that started the concept of modern mono-theistic religions, the Avesta?

I'm sure you hold those all no higher than a fairy tale.
B-but I have anecdotal evidence for myself that I won't share

 
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"I've been battling with the struggle of love and anger and the anger has won. It's impossible for me to go back to the way I was. I've tried changing back but it didn't work. I still had it in me and doubt it will ever go away. I have no control over it anymore. It has become part of me."
Quote from: Lady Noelle on September 26, 2014, 01:14:36 PM
Why does he need to pray with the students? Praying literally does nothing, you are sitting there talking to yourself.
Are you just baiting or does it honestly not occur to you that religious people think prayer works?
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Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 01:16:01 PM
Quote from: Lady Noelle on September 26, 2014, 01:14:36 PM
Why does he need to pray with the students? Praying literally does nothing, you are sitting there talking to yourself.
Are you just baiting or does it honestly not occur to you that religious people think prayer works?
How can prayer work if people pray for opposing things?

If Team A prays to win, but Team B also prays to win, whose prayer does God respond to?

 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
What the fuck is happening in this thread?

First of all, let's clear this bollocks up: religion is, absolutely in no way, a source of morality. It contributes very, very little to ethics and what it does contribute is so banal and potentially harmful as to be discarded in favour of human intuition - which is the source of morality.

That's not to say religious teaching are metaphysically incorrect, there could well be a God. But it doesn't fall to the State to encourage this in any capacity, that is to the parents. Name me a society that has based its teachings on Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, David Hume, Bertrand Russell, and the like, which is even remotely comparable to worshipful states and their shortcomings and perhaps we can have a discussion about it.
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Quote from: Lady Noelle on September 26, 2014, 01:14:36 PM
Praying literally does nothing, you are sitting there talking to yourself.

I disagree

 
 
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Quote from: Lady Noelle on September 26, 2014, 01:14:36 PM
Why does he need to pray with the students? Praying literally does nothing, you are sitting there talking to yourself.
Are you just baiting or does it honestly not occur to you that religious people think prayer works?
How can prayer work if people pray for opposing things?

If Team A prays to win, but Team B also prays to win, whose prayer does God respond to?
Don't be dumb, Max.

We've known since 1646 that God chooses sides.

Although, we also know from 1660 that he's completely capable of changing sides.

 
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Quote from: Mad Max on September 26, 2014, 01:21:42 PM
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Quote from: Lady Noelle on September 26, 2014, 01:14:36 PM
Why does he need to pray with the students? Praying literally does nothing, you are sitting there talking to yourself.
Are you just baiting or does it honestly not occur to you that religious people think prayer works?
How can prayer work if people pray for opposing things?

If Team A prays to win, but Team B also prays to win, whose prayer does God respond to?

Not sure how many sports you've played/coached.

When I pray with my team (I coach right now), I pray for safety and guidance. Not wins.

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Quote from: challengerX on September 26, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
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Quote from: Lady Noelle on September 26, 2014, 01:14:36 PM
Praying literally does nothing, you are sitting there talking to yourself.

I disagree
lel u talk to urself

Yep, everyday.

 
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