Cindo's Controversial Thread of the Week: Masculinity and Femininity

Are you ready for another thread that will get like a billion posts in two days and then die almost immediately because it's about a controversial topic and is being posted by your resident ooky-spooky ess jay dubble yew?

I bet you're not.

Well, buckle up, buckaroo, because we're DIVING THE FUCK IN anyways.

This week's thread will be much less confusing and drawn out than the last one - mostly because I'm not going after any specific community using stupid-ass terms that I came up with to harangue people (What? It's not like I don't know that I'm a dickbag, I just think I'm a dickbag for the right reasons.). No, no - today we will be discussing society as a whole and its attitudes towards that of masculinity and femininity, the roles these play in society, and how these effect the way that society views a multitude of issues including LGBT rights but also the rights of straight, cis women and men.

Let's get started, lads.

Like any good high school English Language III class should have taught you, a good essay will begin with the thesis statement after establishing the tone and purpose. Since I can think of no better way to start this off, we'll just go with that bullshit and work our way from there: society as influenced by western values (note that I'm not saying that western values aren't great. I'm not some fuckin' bullshitty weeb that thinks all our problems could be solved by closer emulating some moshi moshi desu shit.) has an inherently negative opinion of femininity as a trait on average, and things associated with said trait are continued to be negatives at face value.

You can argue all you want about "pussy pass" bullshit and other ways that people like to argue that women have more privilege in society than men, but the fact is that for a VAST amount of history, women have been INCREDIBLY disadvantaged in comparison to men. Disproportionate advantages and prejudices still exist in today's society as well, of course, but the massive ravine has closed over the years into a pretty damn small gap, so that's not the sort of thing I'll be focusing on today - gender stereotypes and societal discrimination against women may be related to the topic I'm discussing, but it's a whole different can of fuckin' worms, it is.

Whichever one caused the other, women were usually held to generally be worse than men in pretty much all facets of life (save for childcare and cleaning, I guess) until very recently, and there also exists a very negative view on femininity. This negative view may not be as prevalent, since most people don't usually think of women as the "lesser sex" in the modern day, but the sentiment is still very much there despite it being mostly subconscious.

To start off with the type that most on this board will relate to, let's look first at cis, straight people. Clothing, to be more exact. Whatever the crazies on the far corners of Tumblr might like saying, clothing is gendered - it may have been defined as such by society, sure, but you can't deny that a full tuxedo suit is much more masculine while a billowy ball gown is much more feminine due to how we define those things as a society. Why, then are women dressing in men's clothes so much more well-respected? A woman dressing in her boyfriend's boxers, or wearing his loose t-shirt, or wearing pants, or wearing a suit - none of these things are looked at negatively. Hell, a few are looked at as playful or sexy. But the response to a fully straight man wearing a dress, panties, bra, blouse, or any other of a number of feminine articles of clothing? Usually it's either defined as a very odd and private fetish or as homosexual urges.

Moving a bit further, let's move on to homosexuality. Up until recently, homosexuality was not widely accepted, and still remains hated in many smaller communities. However it is often joked about that the "LGBT" acronym is ordered from least to most accepted, and I'll be using those first two letters for this example. Lesbians were typically (and still are, really) heavily fetishized and talked up, and many people who would speak out against homosexual behavior in men would still find two girls going at it to be lovely. Now, all assertions of which one a straight man might be attracted to aside - as true as those statements may be - we're talking about society's attitudes towards an action, not which one you wanna bust a nut to on a lonely friday afternoon. Gay men are often stereotyped as flamboyant, sassy, stuck-up, obsessed with fashion, or a number of other traits that all boil down to that same notion of feminine traits - likely due to the fact that if anybody wants to fuck another dude, they've got to be like a girl, right?

And then on to the final point and the one I naturally most relate to - trans issues. Any time trans issues are brought up, the focus is VASTLY centered around trans women (that would be male to female, for those of you not in the know, like myself and most other trans individuals present on this site) despite the fact that numbers tend to show a decently equal amount of FtM and MtF patients. Trans men are almost NEVER mentioned in any sorts of debates or discussions involving transgender rights, and are even generally shown to be more accepted by society even if they do not fully pass.

So what am I trying to say with all of this, then? Well, as I mentioned earlier, I believe that society in general holds a negative connotation with femininity. Basically, all these points boil down to the following: women attempting to be more like men, whether in body or the pure showing of masculine traits, is seen as a fun, on-issue, and possibly even sexy or admirable trait. Men attempting to be more like women is seen as weak, pathetic, "beta", and any other number of words typically used to describe said genre of a man that doesn't wish to perfectly emulate Sean Connery's Playboy James Bond.

Post your thoughts and/or rants and/or slurs or whatever. I'm finna eat dinner, so I'll respond when I'm back.

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

NOBODY CARES

There's probably a very good historical correlation for social pressure on men to be manly... and it even can be observed today in the business world. You wanna survive? You wanna make it? You wanna pull bitches and pass on your genes? You want a raise at the office? Be aggressive and act like a man! Manly men survive and sissies kill of their own bloodline.

I need a TL;DR. Meandering is the last thing you want to do in this board.

I need a TL;DR. Meandering is the last thing you want to do in this board.

TL;DR (from what i gathered kinda) - double standards in society for women compared to men for the most part

yet none of it strikes how men suffer from a lot of the same issues women do in terms of double standards, such as men not being able to cry, confide in people, or act vulnerable when need be. Gotta be TOUGH AND STRONK!

I just keep thinking of Emma Watson's speech at the UN or whatever and how she highlights both sides rather than make it all seem one sided

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

Hey, Cindo and I talk about Undertale a lot too

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

Hey, Cindo and I talk about Undertale a lot too

There really is no hope.

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

Hey, Cindo and I talk about Undertale a lot too

Go back to the lads :poute:

People put too much stock in both.

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

Hey, Cindo and I talk about Undertale a lot too

Luc says that anything I talk about is the only thing I talk about

You learn to ignore it

I need a TL;DR. Meandering is the last thing you want to do in this board.

TL;DR: Stop being a fuckin' pussy-ass bitch and read the damn post, you nark

Basically, all these points boil down to the following: women attempting to be more like men, whether in body or the pure showing of masculine traits, is seen as a fun, on-issue, and possibly even sexy or admirable trait. Men attempting to be more like women is seen as weak, pathetic, "beta", and any other number of words typically used to describe said genre of a man that doesn't wish to perfectly emulate Sean Connery's Playboy James Bond.

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

Hey, Cindo and I talk about Undertale a lot too

Luc says that anything I talk about is the only thing I talk about

You learn to ignore it

I just have it thrown in my face a lot. When you get serious, it seems this is the only serious issue you talk about  . And you talk about it a lot.

But I just couldn't care less about these social issues and try to avoid them like the plague (until they get brought up in my face again by others (not saying just you)).

or maybe I'm just jaded

I'unno :^(

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

Hey, Cindo and I talk about Undertale a lot too

Luc says that anything I talk about is the only thing I talk about

You learn to ignore it

I just have it thrown in my face a lot. When you get serious, it seems this is the only serious issue you talk about  . And you talk about it a lot.

But I just couldn't care less about these social issues and try to avoid them like the plague (until they get brought up in my face again by others (not saying just you)).

Woah, something that effects me personally on a daily basis is something I talk about, a lot?

W E W L A D :^)

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

Hey, Cindo and I talk about Undertale a lot too

Luc says that anything I talk about is the only thing I talk about

You learn to ignore it

I just have it thrown in my face a lot. When you get serious, it seems this is the only serious issue you talk about  . And you talk about it a lot.

But I just couldn't care less about these social issues and try to avoid them like the plague (until they get brought up in my face again by others (not saying just you)).

Woah, something that effects me personally on a daily basis is something I talk about, a lot?

W E W L A D :^)

You're a single-issue voter, aren't you?

This is literally all you talk about, friend.

Hey, Cindo and I talk about Undertale a lot too

Luc says that anything I talk about is the only thing I talk about

You learn to ignore it

I just have it thrown in my face a lot. When you get serious, it seems this is the only serious issue you talk about  . And you talk about it a lot.

But I just couldn't care less about these social issues and try to avoid them like the plague (until they get brought up in my face again by others (not saying just you)).

Woah, something that effects me personally on a daily basis is something I talk about, a lot?

W E W L A D :^)

You're a single-issue voter, aren't you?

she's too young to vote lol

Cindo's 18. She can vote.

Cindo's 19 you hoebag

they grow up so fast

Wow much controversy

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Cindo's 19 you hoebag

Same shit, fam

Well that's because sissy traits suck.  Pretty sure men only put up with girls like that for sex.  I mean, who wants to cry all the time or be afraid of everything?  Men are hormonally superior.

I find it funny how women are considered the softer sex but at the same time the most dangerous of the species.

I guess the latter applies more to animals in the wild, but people apply it to women enough times.

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Cindy are you a pretty girl

Ease up, elegiac.

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Cindy are you a pretty girl

Ease up, elegiac.

Are you a pretty girl

I can be.

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