More post-Brexit referendum economy: BoE cuts rates

 
 
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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
Y'know, if you're going to present a thread in this professional non partisan manner, at least actually make the thread like that. The economic implications post Brexit, while should be taken seriously, are for the most part, overstated and simply just speculation at this point. You've cherry picked the most pessimistic predictions and presented them as concrete fact, which is a pretty disingenuous way of conveying information on this topic to anyone uneducated.

While I'm certainly not contesting the contentions of economic experts, it's paramount to include the contrasting points of view as well:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/30/britain-to-leverage-11bn-of-foreign-aid-to-build-new-trade-deals/
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/27/uk-gdp-economy-growth-brexit-referendum-pound-markets-live
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/27/uk-gdp-economy-growth-brexit-referendum-pound-markets-live?page=with:block-57986face4b065cfc0a5bf80#block-57986face4b065cfc0a5bf80
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36901027
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Pages/agentssummary/2016/jul.aspx
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Good post, not a lot to disagree with (although the last link Mordo posted is also pretty interesting).

Interesting to note that the BoE's inflation report talked almost exclusively about Brexit:

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The MPC’s central projection in the May Report , under the assumptions that Bank Rate followed a path implied by market interest rates, that the stock of purchased assets remained at Β£375 billion and of continued UK membership of the European Union (EU), was that GDP growth was likely to dip further in the near term, reflecting a period of uncertainty around the referendum, before picking up to 2ΒΌ% as that drag waned. CPI inflation was projected to pick up over the next year or so, returning to the 2% target by mid-2018 and rising slightly above it thereafter.

[On 15th June] All Committee members considered the current stance of monetary policy to be appropriate. The MPC noted, however, that a vote to leave the EU could materially alter the outlook for output and inflation, and therefore the appropriate setting of monetary policy.

At its meeting ending on 14 July, the MPC considered the early evidence on the impact of the vote to leave the EU and the implications this had for monetary policy, in light of the actions already taken by the Financial Policy Committee, the Prudential Regulation Authority and the Bank. There had been a sharp reaction in financial markets. Sterling had fallen markedly against the dollar and, although the FTSE All-Share index had risen over the same period, the equity prices of UK-focused banks and other companies exposed to the domestic property sector had fallen. Short-term and longer-term interest rates had declined internationally and there had been falls in the prices of euro-area risky assets. Official data on economic activity covering the period since the referendum were not yet available. Indicators of uncertainty among households and companies had risen further and early indications from surveys suggested that some businesses were beginning to delay investment projects and postpone recruitment. Regarding the housing market, the latest RICS survey had pointed to a significant weakening in expected activity. This evidence suggested the uncertainty stemming from the referendum result was likely to depress economic activity in the near term.

The sharp fall in the exchange rate would, in the short run, put upward pressure on inflation. In the longer run, the path for inflation would also depend crucially on how inflation expectations responded. Financial market measures of near-term inflation expectations had risen moderately following the referendum, although only to around historical averages and longer-term inflation expectations had fallen. To that end, most members of the Committee expected monetary policy to be loosened in August.

As I've said before, it's pretty much undeniable that a slowdown will/has occur(red); the interesting question is magnitude. The ONS statistics that will be rolled out in a few months' time will certainly be interesting, and may even serve as an interesting experiment as to the current efficacy of monetary policy compared to fiscal policy.

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Is it bad that I think this possible experiment almost makes up for the slowdown? We could learn some very interesting things about policy, depending on the direction the gov't goes.



 
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I should also point out that whether or not we have a "technical" recession is kind of arbitrary. If it turns out that the British economy contracts for two consecutive quarters, we really have to wait until the figures come out. After all, two quarters of -0.2pc growth is a recession, but is not as bad as one quarter of -0.5pc growth followed by a quarter of 0.1pc growth.


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I forgot halifax bank was a thing. Ironic considering I live in the town of the same name.


 
 
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Guardian reporting that consumer spending despite the vote is going strong.


 
 
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Guardian reporting that consumer spending despite the vote is going strong.
I didn't really expect it to fall, if people have got money to spend then chances are it's going to be spent.
It's when redundancies start flying and debt starts mounting that they become unable to spend money (as opposed to unwilling).

Seeing as how interest rates have been absolute garbage for the last few years, there isn't really a whole lot of point in the average joe trying to build up savings when he gets 0.5% on it all.



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bit of a sidetrack but

Did you see the murmuring about a bank going for negative interest rates a few weeks back?
It was a headline on a paper that I glanced at in the shop and it was a bit 'wat', is there any actual sense to having negative interest rates for a bank or is that just a good way to get people to abandon ship?


 
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is there any actual sense to having negative interest rates for a bank
As far as I can tell?

We don't really know. It's uncharted territory.

EDIT: Also, those "garbage" interest rates are kind of the reason we are not in the shitstorm the Eurozone periphery is in. Perfect? No. Better than the alternative? Definitely. If only the gov't would open up the taps.
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is there any actual sense to having negative interest rates for a bank
As far as I can tell?

We don't really know. It's uncharted territory.

EDIT: Also, those "garbage" interest rates are kind of the reason we are not in the shitstorm the Eurozone periphery is in. Perfect? No. Better than the alternative? Definitely. If only the gov't would open up the taps.
Yeah I mean they are the lesser evil and all but it does kinda dissolve any incentive to save up unless you are making a big purchase.


 
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Yeah I mean they are the lesser evil and all but it does kinda dissolve any incentive to save up unless you are making a big purchase.
While true, saving is probably better incentivised through a tax system that focuses on consumption and property/land, rather than income.


 
 
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Yeah I mean they are the lesser evil and all but it does kinda dissolve any incentive to save up unless you are making a big purchase.
While true, saving is probably better incentivised through a tax system that focuses on consumption and property/land, rather than income.
Whilst that would incline people towards saving, if it jacks the prices of property up even more isn't that going to continue to do-over the rental generation?

It seems like one of the silver linings in all of this EU mess is that it'll possibly make housing more affordable for bri'ish wurkers and all that.


 
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if it jacks the prices of property up even more
It's best to tax the value of the unimproved land itself, rather than the value of any building or property on it. Since the supply of land is so inelastic, it's pretty much impossible for landlords to pass on the burden of the tax to tenants.


 
 
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if it jacks the prices of property up even more
It's best to tax the value of the unimproved land itself, rather than the value of any building or property on it. Since the supply of land is so inelastic, it's pretty much impossible for landlords to pass on the burden of the tax to tenants.
Wouldn't that end up stacking the value of land/property in inner city areas even higher than the countryside though?

Space being a premium and all that


 
 
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Thought I'd take a look at some pre-vote forecasts to see precisely what the big institutions were saying would be likely in the event of a Leave vote.

The IMF had two scenarios with varying degrees of uncertainty; one where we fall into recession, and one where we do not. The IMF did not say which was more likely.

The Treasury did forecast a recession.

The OECD predicted growth 0.5pc lower than the baseline through 2017/18, so no recession forecast.

The PwC thinks we will avoid a recession.

And NIESR predicted that we would probably not go into recession.

I'll see if I can find some more recent stuff from these organisations, to see how their outlook has potentially changed (if they aren't mentioned in the OP already).


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So.... I'm looking at universities for 2017 entry, and they have a certain fee listed on their websites. (Can't remember what it was). Because people will be applying to these come September, is it likely these prices will change?