Completely agree. If anything, Moore undermines any sort of reasonable liberal discussion by going off the deep end. I'm a pretty liberal dude and I think he's an absurd asshole.

Yeah hes pretty much gone off the deep end with that comment.

Quote from: LC on January 19, 2015, 11:06:35 AM

If this were directed at Kyle I'd agree with him. Shooting civilians to up your kill count is pretty cowardly.

Sorry?

Are you referring to the woman he shot who was armed with a hand grenade in one hand and a baby in the other intent on killing a group of marines?

Because if you are, I'd have to strongly disagree with you there. But please by all means, clarify all the "innocent" civilians he's murdered.

So? Does she not have a right to attack people who invade her country?

Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 19, 2015, 11:12:12 AM

Quote from: LC on January 19, 2015, 11:06:35 AM

If this were directed at Kyle I'd agree with him. Shooting civilians to up your kill count is pretty cowardly.

Sorry?

Are you referring to the woman he shot who was armed with a hand grenade in one hand and a baby in the other intent on killing a group of marines?

Because if you are, I'd have to strongly disagree with you there. But please by all means, clarify all the "innocent" civilians he's murdered.

So? Does she not have a right to attack people who invade her country?

A country that was controlled by one of the most sadistic dictators in history? The "invasion" that toppled that very government as well? Yeah she was totally within her right to do that.

Continue to be an insurgent apologist if you want, and continue to revere the woman who intended on killing a group of people and an infant all at once. I think the rest of us know who has the moral high ground here.

The guy is insulting Simo Häyhä.

So? Does she not have a right to attack people who invade her country?

Not if she's an Islamist.

He's not wrong.

Chris Kyle was a piece of shit anyway.

Quote from: gooootsby on January 19, 2015, 11:14:03 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 19, 2015, 11:12:12 AM

Quote from: LC on January 19, 2015, 11:06:35 AM

If this were directed at Kyle I'd agree with him. Shooting civilians to up your kill count is pretty cowardly.

Sorry?

Are you referring to the woman he shot who was armed with a hand grenade in one hand and a baby in the other intent on killing a group of marines?

Because if you are, I'd have to strongly disagree with you there. But please by all means, clarify all the "innocent" civilians he's murdered.

So? Does she not have a right to attack people who invade her country?

A country that was controlled by one of the most sadistic dictators in history? The "invasion" that toppled that very government as well? Yeah she was totally within her right to do that.

Continue to be an insurgent apologist if you want, and continue to revere the woman who intended on killing a group of people and an infant all at once. I think the rest of us know who has the moral high ground here.

Yeah Saddam was crazy but life for the majority was much better with him in power and I'll agree obviously that taking a child with her was absolutely idiotic but she's completely justified in attacking the marines.

Yeah Saddam was crazy but life for the majority was much better with him in power

Tell that to the tens of thousands of gassed Kurds, the tens of thousands Shi'a Muslims in mass graves we are still finding and to the Marsh Arabs who had their home destroyed in one of the biggest ecological disasters in history.

Eh I could argue far more people suffered due to the America invasion but any who

I know you don't want to get into this, but I really can't let that slide.

The Coalition's invasion, while poorly handled, was simply the best course of action for Iraq's future. Saddam Hussein may have kept the situation contained--at a very high human and environmental cost--but he wasn't immortal. He would've died, and a horribly violent schism would've occurred. Or, even worse, one of his sons like Uday Hussein would've taken over.



Just look at nominal income growth since the invasion. Iraq was on a stable path of growth prior to the rise of ISIS, precipitated by the Coalition's withdrawal and the sectarianism of the then-Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who excluded the Sons of Iraq who had enforced security in Sunni-majority areas.

ITT: liberal assholes insulting a hero. Get off your couches and make a difference before you ever talk shit on anyone in the military.

OT: Yeah Michael Moore is a fucking loser

>Implying anyone one of us here can't join the military and kill civilians

Quote from: PSU on January 19, 2015, 01:04:34 PM

ITT: liberal assholes insulting a hero. Get off your couches and make a difference before you ever talk shit on anyone in the military.

OT: Yeah Michael Moore is a fucking loser

>Implying anyone one of us here can't join the military and kill civilians

I can't enlist in the Navy or Marines. I'm too old.

Quote from: gooootsby on January 19, 2015, 01:11:10 PM

Quote from: PSU on January 19, 2015, 01:04:34 PM

ITT: liberal assholes insulting a hero. Get off your couches and make a difference before you ever talk shit on anyone in the military.

OT: Yeah Michael Moore is a fucking loser

>Implying anyone one of us here can't join the military and kill civilians

I'd reckon there's a few of you here who'd be basic washouts.

Basic washouts?