Can someone with a better understanding of international law and US law clarify?

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 20, 2016, 04:20:31 PM

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Cindy · January 20, 2016, 04:28:53 PM

>Support for the Assyrians

I'm sure that the nations of Ashur - first empire of history - will be pleased by your glory in standing up for their nation.

Though you're a good three thousand or so years late.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · January 20, 2016, 04:28:54 PM

18 U.S. Code § 2381
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

As long as proceeds didn't go towards them, you could wear an ISIL shirt around town without legal problems if you wanted. At least, as far as I'm seeing.

DAS B00T x2 · January 20, 2016, 04:30:27 PM

Quote from: † on January 20, 2016, 04:20:31 PM

If something like that were to happen, could this come back and bite me in the ass?

Long story short, no.

But really, if you're gonna have a patch with arabic on it that ain't this...

Spoiler

you should be more concerned about radial evangelicals than FBI agents.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 20, 2016, 04:51:26 PM

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Flee · January 20, 2016, 04:58:35 PM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 20, 2016, 04:59:38 PM

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🍁 Aria 🔮 · January 20, 2016, 05:01:20 PM

Quote from: † on January 20, 2016, 04:59:38 PM

Quote from: Prime Megaten on January 20, 2016, 04:28:54 PM
18 U.S. Code § 2381
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

As long as proceeds didn't go towards them, you could wear an ISIL shirt around town without legal problems if you wanted. At least, as far as I'm seeing.
In this instance I would be directly funding the NPU, but donated proceeds aren't supposed to go to weapon purchases. The real question here is would I be guilty of adhering to "their enemies" if my only contribution occurred before the two came into conflict?

No. You can't charge someone with treason before the opposite party is an enemy of the state. That's retroactive application.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 20, 2016, 05:04:38 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · January 20, 2016, 05:16:27 PM

Quote from: † on January 20, 2016, 04:51:26 PM

Quote from: BUILD DAS WALL on January 20, 2016, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: † on January 20, 2016, 04:20:31 PM
If something like that were to happen, could this come back and bite me in the ass?
Long story short, no.

But really, if you're gonna have a patch with arabic on it that ain't this...
Spoiler
you should be more concerned about radial evangelicals than FBI agents.
Which is funny as fuck considering these guys are mostly Christians.

pfft, what ar you talkin 'bout? Der ain't no Christians inda middle east.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 20, 2016, 06:21:18 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · January 20, 2016, 06:29:49 PM

Quote from: † on January 20, 2016, 06:21:18 PM

Well, I bought it, so I guess that's one more watchlist I'm on.

pfft... come back to me when the government has an ID photo of you wearing an NVA field jacket with shoulder rank 'cause it was MOTHER FUCKING COLD OUT when you went to get your carry permit. They got me listed under Eric Frein II: Electric Boogaloo.

challengerX · January 20, 2016, 06:33:09 PM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 20, 2016, 08:12:47 PM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 20, 2016, 08:13:27 PM

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SecondClass · January 20, 2016, 08:38:29 PM

Of course you won't get in trouble. You could wear an ISIS shirt and be fine. That's honestly the best thing about America, we're the nation that supports free speech the most.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 20, 2016, 09:18:46 PM

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SecondClass · January 20, 2016, 09:19:59 PM

Quote from: † on January 20, 2016, 09:18:46 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 20, 2016, 08:38:29 PM
we're the nation that supports free speech the most.
lmao

try to wear ISIS clothing in literally any other western country

Flee · January 21, 2016, 02:18:09 AM

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SecondClass · January 21, 2016, 02:21:40 AM

Okay? Notice the fact that there are big, public news articles about it. It's an issue. In America, people would get upset, but no news outlet would report on something so trivial.

Flee · January 21, 2016, 02:49:17 AM

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SecondClass · January 21, 2016, 02:57:46 AM

I feel ISIS is more tolerated in Europe because of the Muslim base of it specifically

try spouting organized speech against blacks or wearing KKK garb in London, though. Hate speech is an actual prosecutable crime, which is honestly ridiculous, whereas you can have full-on racist rallies in the US. And while participating in activities like that is intellectually and ethically backwards any mere opinion, no matter how ludicrous, cannot justifiably be made illegal.

Flee · January 21, 2016, 04:14:29 AM

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Luciana · January 21, 2016, 04:18:39 AM

Quote from: Flee on January 21, 2016, 02:49:17 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 21, 2016, 02:21:40 AM
Okay? Notice the fact that there are big, public news articles about it. It's an issue. In America, people would get upset, but no news outlet would report on something so trivial.
Which is why I, living on the other side of the world and not generally receiving American news, was still aware of the public outrage and significant news coverage (by CNN, Fox, NY Post, ABC and so on) when a man in a small town in New Jersey flew the ISIS flag from his home? Only Western European nation where I know it would be against the law is Germany. Other instances of something like this happening might get more attention (which makes sense, seeing how Europe is currently a lot affected by the terrorist threat than the US is), but to suggest that the US is a beacon of free speech where no one would care about something so trivial while Europe is going on a rampage looking to ban every sign with a negative connotation to it is simply incorrect.

gotta love american exceptionalism

we're the most free

why?

because we said so. it's not our fault you can't handle our freedom

SecondClass · January 21, 2016, 04:27:30 AM

Quote from: Flee on January 21, 2016, 04:14:29 AM

And no opinion is ever illegal. Laws do not apply to the mind, they only apply to actions.

Holding an opinion and having the right to tell others that you hold it are inseparable concepts.

challengerX · January 21, 2016, 04:41:27 AM

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Flee · January 21, 2016, 04:42:18 AM

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SecondClass · January 21, 2016, 04:53:18 AM

Quote from: Flee on January 21, 2016, 04:43:13 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 21, 2016, 04:27:30 AM
Quote from: Flee on January 21, 2016, 04:14:29 AM
And no opinion is ever illegal. Laws do not apply to the mind, they only apply to actions.
Holding an opinion and having the right to tell others that you hold it are inseparable concepts.
That's just your opinion. Many would disagree.

Many would be wrong.