This feels oddly similar to a youtube comment chain I'm currently trolling in. Apparently atheists get upset when you tell them God made them wrong just to send them to Hell lol
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:24:25 PMThis feels oddly similar to a youtube comment chain I'm currently trolling in. Apparently atheists get upset when you tell them God made them wrong just to send them to Hell lolyou're telling them god made them retarded lol
Assuming God is real, of course.
It's my personal belief that Jesus' death absolved humanity for its sins. Until judgment day everyone goes to purgatory (a waiting room). On judgment day everyone is given an account of their sins, and can choose to either seek forgiveness (accepting God as the one true god and Jesus as His son) or deny God's will. The former will go to Heaven, the latter to Hell. That's the only way I see that works with scripture and explains whether or not an isolated tribesman in the Amazon who has never heard of God still gets a chance.
But if that's the case, what's the whole point in Jesus' sacrifice? If Jesus' death on the cross doesn't absolve us of our sins, why is "Jesus died for your sins" perpetuated?
Quote from: SexyBarracuda on March 02, 2015, 03:28:46 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:24:25 PMThis feels oddly similar to a youtube comment chain I'm currently trolling in. Apparently atheists get upset when you tell them God made them wrong just to send them to Hell lolyou're telling them god made them retarded lolYou should see this comment chain, it's too good. I don't know how they haven't picked up on my trolling yet, this is too easy.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:24:25 PMThis feels oddly similar to a youtube comment chain I'm currently trolling in. Apparently atheists get upset when you tell them God made them wrong just to send them to Hell lolLink plix
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:29:54 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 02, 2015, 03:28:46 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:24:25 PMThis feels oddly similar to a youtube comment chain I'm currently trolling in. Apparently atheists get upset when you tell them God made them wrong just to send them to Hell lolyou're telling them god made them retarded lolYou should see this comment chain, it's too good. I don't know how they haven't picked up on my trolling yet, this is too easy.BruhIt's youtube.
Quote from: LC on March 02, 2015, 04:23:50 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:29:54 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 02, 2015, 03:28:46 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:24:25 PMThis feels oddly similar to a youtube comment chain I'm currently trolling in. Apparently atheists get upset when you tell them God made them wrong just to send them to Hell lolyou're telling them god made them retarded lolYou should see this comment chain, it's too good. I don't know how they haven't picked up on my trolling yet, this is too easy.BruhIt's youtube.LC plsDon't downplay my youtube fun
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 04:37:43 PMQuote from: LC on March 02, 2015, 04:23:50 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:29:54 PMQuote from: SexyBarracuda on March 02, 2015, 03:28:46 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 02, 2015, 03:24:25 PMThis feels oddly similar to a youtube comment chain I'm currently trolling in. Apparently atheists get upset when you tell them God made them wrong just to send them to Hell lolyou're telling them god made them retarded lolYou should see this comment chain, it's too good. I don't know how they haven't picked up on my trolling yet, this is too easy.BruhIt's youtube.LC plsDon't downplay my youtube fun These are the people who gave Pewdiepie 240k likes on facebook because he said he had just drank some milk.
God, for whatever reason, decided to create things that were sinful.
However, we must still seek forgiveness for ours sins....why? If Jesus' death was to absolve us of our sins, why must we still seek forgiveness?
Quote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PMGod, for whatever reason, decided to create things that were sinful. At the time of Creation, humans were not sinful. They were perfect, undefiled. And God didn't create sin itself. Sin's creation came when Lucifer rebelled against God out of jealousy. That desire to be above God, was where sin came into the picture. That desire.Humanity was perfect, sinless, then they chose to sin. That's why humanity is now sinful by nature: because the very first 2 people sinned, and sin stains deep.Quote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PM However, we must still seek forgiveness for ours sins....why? If Jesus' death was to absolve us of our sins, why must we still seek forgiveness?Jesus didn't take humanities' sins and erase them. What He actually did, was make a way, open a door.
Humanity was perfect, sinless, then they chose to sin.
Before the Cross, we didn't have a chance at Salvation.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 02, 2015, 05:46:07 PMQuote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PMGod, for whatever reason, decided to create things that were sinful. At the time of Creation, humans were not sinful. They were perfect, undefiled. And God didn't create sin itself. Sin's creation came when Lucifer rebelled against God out of jealousy. That desire to be above God, was where sin came into the picture. That desire.Humanity was perfect, sinless, then they chose to sin. That's why humanity is now sinful by nature: because the very first 2 people sinned, and sin stains deep.Quote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PM However, we must still seek forgiveness for ours sins....why? If Jesus' death was to absolve us of our sins, why must we still seek forgiveness?Jesus didn't take humanities' sins and erase them. What He actually did, was make a way, open a door.This sounds like God is playing by someone else's rules, like he had to meet a prerequisite before he could get us allowed back in.Just what it sounds like.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 02, 2015, 05:46:07 PMHumanity was perfect, sinless, then they chose to sin.That isn't perfect, then. QuoteBefore the Cross, we didn't have a chance at Salvation. So all of the humans 188,000 years before the life of Christ are in Hell? Fuck, what about the archaic humans like Homo sapiens idaltu and the Neanderthals, where are they?
Israel would give an annual "sin offering".
but Salvation wasn't as acquirable as it is through Christ.
Now why does that sound like animal sacrifice?
Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 02, 2015, 06:00:08 PMNow why does that sound like animal sacrifice? Because it was.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 02, 2015, 05:46:07 PMQuote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PMGod, for whatever reason, decided to create things that were sinful. At the time of Creation, humans were not sinful. They were perfect, undefiled. And God didn't create sin itself. Sin's creation came when Lucifer rebelled against God out of jealousy. That desire to be above God, was where sin came into the picture. That desire.Humanity was perfect, sinless, then they chose to sin. That's why humanity is now sinful by nature: because the very first 2 people sinned, and sin stains deep.Quote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PM However, we must still seek forgiveness for ours sins....why? If Jesus' death was to absolve us of our sins, why must we still seek forgiveness?Jesus didn't take humanities' sins and erase them. What He actually did, was make a way, open a door.Salvation is a gift yes, but it's also a choice on your part. You are not forced to make Christ your savior, you are not forced to live in Fellowship with Him.Jesus gave us the choice of eternal life. And even afterward, we must seek forgiveness daily. Seek renewing. Because we sin daily, we mess up our clean slate over and over, but over and over Christ offers that endless forgiveness.How do you believe in this bullshit dude? I mean damn, say it out loud and listen to what you're saying, then read some factual stuff about our origins and realize were just advanced animals.
Quote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PMGod, for whatever reason, decided to create things that were sinful. At the time of Creation, humans were not sinful. They were perfect, undefiled. And God didn't create sin itself. Sin's creation came when Lucifer rebelled against God out of jealousy. That desire to be above God, was where sin came into the picture. That desire.Humanity was perfect, sinless, then they chose to sin. That's why humanity is now sinful by nature: because the very first 2 people sinned, and sin stains deep.Quote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PM However, we must still seek forgiveness for ours sins....why? If Jesus' death was to absolve us of our sins, why must we still seek forgiveness?Jesus didn't take humanities' sins and erase them. What He actually did, was make a way, open a door.Salvation is a gift yes, but it's also a choice on your part. You are not forced to make Christ your savior, you are not forced to live in Fellowship with Him.Jesus gave us the choice of eternal life. And even afterward, we must seek forgiveness daily. Seek renewing. Because we sin daily, we mess up our clean slate over and over, but over and over Christ offers that endless forgiveness.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 02, 2015, 06:11:43 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 02, 2015, 06:00:08 PMNow why does that sound like animal sacrifice? Because it was.Now what the hell does Yahweh want with dead animals?
Quote from: challengerX on March 02, 2015, 06:05:33 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 02, 2015, 05:46:07 PMQuote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PMGod, for whatever reason, decided to create things that were sinful. At the time of Creation, humans were not sinful. They were perfect, undefiled. And God didn't create sin itself. Sin's creation came when Lucifer rebelled against God out of jealousy. That desire to be above God, was where sin came into the picture. That desire.Humanity was perfect, sinless, then they chose to sin. That's why humanity is now sinful by nature: because the very first 2 people sinned, and sin stains deep.Quote from: Mad Max on March 02, 2015, 02:59:43 PM However, we must still seek forgiveness for ours sins....why? If Jesus' death was to absolve us of our sins, why must we still seek forgiveness?Jesus didn't take humanities' sins and erase them. What He actually did, was make a way, open a door.Salvation is a gift yes, but it's also a choice on your part. You are not forced to make Christ your savior, you are not forced to live in Fellowship with Him.Jesus gave us the choice of eternal life. And even afterward, we must seek forgiveness daily. Seek renewing. Because we sin daily, we mess up our clean slate over and over, but over and over Christ offers that endless forgiveness.How do you believe in this bullshit dude? I mean damn, say it out loud and listen to what you're saying, then read some factual stuff about our origins and realize were just advanced animals.Let me just summarize very easily:sin = separation from GodIf humanity is sinful, it is separatedChrist = redemption from sinThrough Christ, there is no more separation from God. He opens that pathway up for any who choose it.If you weren't raised in the Church and never really were around it, I could see why it sounds odd to some degree.But it makes sense if you explain it in a simplistic fashion.
It was a way to atone for sins. And shepherds would sacrifice the single best lamb of their livestock. Not the worst, the sick. That was out of gratitude for God giving them livestock at all.
Can someone help me understand God, sin, and Jesus' sacrifice?
