Cameron renews his NHS pledges [TW: UK Politics]

 
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32772548

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Prime Minister David Cameron is to renew his vow to boost NHS funding and create a "seven-day" health service in his first major post-election speech.

He will commit to a pre-election pledge to increase budgets by at least £8bn a year by 2020, during his speech at a GP surgery in the West Midlands.

Outlining the government plans, he will say the NHS is "safe in our hands".

The British Medical Council said that without proper detail the announcement was "empty headline-grabbing".

It said the government was yet to explain how it would devlier additional care at a time of "chronic" doctor shortages.

Ahead of the election, the Conservatives gave their backing to a plan by NHS England chief executive Simon Stevens to fill a funding gap estimated at £30bn a year by 2020.

This aims to make £22bn in efficiency savings, with the rest coming from taxpayers.

The prime minister is expected to describe the health service as the embodiment of "one nation" politics.

Mr Cameron is to say the proposals will transform services across the country, with more GPs, faster access to new drugs and treatments.

They will also bring a greater focus on mental health and healthy living, he will say.

The PM is expected to say it is "shocking" how death rates for patients admitted to hospital on a Sunday are up to 16% higher than those admitted on a Wednesday and that a seven-day service would help save lives

"There is nothing that embodies the spirit of one nation coming together - nothing that working people depend on more - than the NHS," he will say.

"Our commitment to free healthcare for everyone - wherever you are and whenever you need it.

"So I believe that together - by sticking to the plan - we can become the first country in the world to deliver a truly seven-day NHS."
The government is promising better access to doctors and healthcare

This must be done to preserve the values of the NHS that are "so central to our national identity", Mr Cameron will add.

"To keep our people healthy, to look after them when they fall ill, to care for the elderly with dignity and to ensure that free healthcare is always there whenever people need it most."

Mr Cameron is expected to deny that staff will have to work longer hours.

He will argue instead that work patterns must be more flexible, to ensure doctors and nurses are available at the right times.

Dr Mark Porter, BMA council chairman, said the government needed to clarify how it intended to "translate this announcement into reality".

"The real question for the Government is how they plan to deliver additional care when the NHS is facing a funding gap of £30bn and there is a chronic shortage of GPs and hospital doctors, especially in acute and emergency medicine, where access to 24-hour care is vital," he said.

"Without the answer to these questions this announcement is empty headline-grabbing and shows that even after polling day, politicians are still avoiding the difficult questions and continuing to play games with the NHS."

Downing Street said the GP Access Fund, set up under the previous Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government, was already extending opening hours.

Consumer group Which? called for the government to make reforming the complaints system an integral part of its plans.

Its executive director Richard Lloyd said: "Last year we found that four in 10 people who had a problem with the NHS didn't complain, with one in seven saying they were put off from doing so because they feared getting worse care or treatment as a result."

Snipping the bits that piqued my interest
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The British Medical Council said that without proper detail the announcement was "empty headline-grabbing".

It said the government was yet to explain how it would devlier additional care at a time of "chronic" doctor shortages.
1. Pretty much, seeing a proper plan would at least help assuage the scepticism of the tories just getting the knives out to carve it up <_<
2. lol@BBCtypo
3. I'd really like to see what they plan to do about this too.

For the next few bits, I'll take them at their word/give them the benefit of the doubt for once.

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They will also bring a greater focus on mental health and healthy living, he will say.
Thank fucking god
CAMHS is a farce beyond belief and the changeover handling is a disgrace. Let alone the way the MH departments get shafted budgetwise despite the cost of hiring shrinks being a fraction of hiring a consultant/GP. Treat more people for the same price = Duhoy.

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"Our commitment to free healthcare for everyone - wherever you are and whenever you need it.

"So I believe that together - by sticking to the plan - we can become the first country in the world to deliver a truly seven-day NHS."

It sounds like wishful thinking but hell, as I said I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. If they can pull this off, then that's most likely going to earn them my vote despite the IDS and Osbournes <_<

Assuming that they mean what they say about free healthcare remaining free that is.

The full quote by the BMA chairman is probably worth noting though, as a bucket of cold water to check the wishful thinking above

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Dr Mark Porter, BMA council chairman, said the government needed to clarify how it intended to "translate this announcement into reality".

"The real question for the Government is how they plan to deliver additional care when the NHS is facing a funding gap of £30bn and there is a chronic shortage of GPs and hospital doctors, especially in acute and emergency medicine, where access to 24-hour care is vital," he said.

"Without the answer to these questions this announcement is empty headline-grabbing and shows that even after polling day, politicians are still avoiding the difficult questions and continuing to play games with the NHS."

Sooooooo, thoughts?


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CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.


 
 
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CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.
Yeah <.<

Maaaybe it's just a localised issue/firsthand experience but it's a bit of a cointoss here.

When I was first referred I was assigned to a brilliant psych who helped me sort my shit out, they did EMDR for the PTSD and it was 10/10. Then when I'd spoken to a few people who all got lumped with one of the other shrinks there, jesus christ he sounded like an asshat. Then we did this family therapy thing (10/10 would laugh at again) with him chairing it and christ he shouldn't be a shrink at all. Quite how he's passed the ongoing professional proficiency shit is beyond me.

The changeover period is a farce too, when they get a patient who is 16/17 they tend to just fudge the paperwork for a few months until they are too old to be treated by CAMHS and then say 'oh, you need to be assessed by the adult team and get put onto that waiting list instead' so that's about 15 months it took them to hand me from one service to the other. GG.

>_>

But yeah, in short camhs/amhs need to get their shit together and a bigger budget/more staff would certainly help reduce the waiting times.


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CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.
Yeah <.<

Maaaybe it's just a localised issue/firsthand experience but it's a bit of a cointoss here.

When I was first referred I was assigned to a brilliant psych who helped me sort my shit out, they did EMDR for the PTSD and it was 10/10. Then when I'd spoken to a few people who all got lumped with one of the other shrinks there, jesus christ he sounded like an asshat. Then we did this family therapy thing (10/10 would laugh at again) with him chairing it and christ he shouldn't be a shrink at all. Quite how he's passed the ongoing professional proficiency shit is beyond me.

The changeover period is a farce too, when they get a patient who is 16/17 they tend to just fudge the paperwork for a few months until they are too old to be treated by CAMHS and then say 'oh, you need to be assessed by the adult team and get put onto that waiting list instead' so that's about 15 months it took them to hand me from one service to the other. GG.

>_>

But yeah, in short camhs/amhs need to get their shit together and a bigger budget/more staff would certainly help reduce the waiting times.
My biggest problem with CAMHS was the therapist rotation, every 8 months or so a patient gets a new therapist for little to no reason.

And yeah, they tend to do that here too, at least they did a few years back. Still NIs MHS are far better than Englands, at least from first hand experience.


 
 
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CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.
Yeah <.<

Maaaybe it's just a localised issue/firsthand experience but it's a bit of a cointoss here.

When I was first referred I was assigned to a brilliant psych who helped me sort my shit out, they did EMDR for the PTSD and it was 10/10. Then when I'd spoken to a few people who all got lumped with one of the other shrinks there, jesus christ he sounded like an asshat. Then we did this family therapy thing (10/10 would laugh at again) with him chairing it and christ he shouldn't be a shrink at all. Quite how he's passed the ongoing professional proficiency shit is beyond me.

The changeover period is a farce too, when they get a patient who is 16/17 they tend to just fudge the paperwork for a few months until they are too old to be treated by CAMHS and then say 'oh, you need to be assessed by the adult team and get put onto that waiting list instead' so that's about 15 months it took them to hand me from one service to the other. GG.

>_>

But yeah, in short camhs/amhs need to get their shit together and a bigger budget/more staff would certainly help reduce the waiting times.
My biggest problem with CAMHS was the therapist rotation, every 8 months or so a patient gets a new therapist for little to no reason.

And yeah, they tend to do that here too, at least they did a few years back. Still NIs MHS are far better than Englands, at least from first hand experience.
Egh, that sounds like Locums/Temporary staff rotations <.<

Not a great system really, disrupting any progress like that :l


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CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.
Yeah <.<

Maaaybe it's just a localised issue/firsthand experience but it's a bit of a cointoss here.

When I was first referred I was assigned to a brilliant psych who helped me sort my shit out, they did EMDR for the PTSD and it was 10/10. Then when I'd spoken to a few people who all got lumped with one of the other shrinks there, jesus christ he sounded like an asshat. Then we did this family therapy thing (10/10 would laugh at again) with him chairing it and christ he shouldn't be a shrink at all. Quite how he's passed the ongoing professional proficiency shit is beyond me.

The changeover period is a farce too, when they get a patient who is 16/17 they tend to just fudge the paperwork for a few months until they are too old to be treated by CAMHS and then say 'oh, you need to be assessed by the adult team and get put onto that waiting list instead' so that's about 15 months it took them to hand me from one service to the other. GG.

>_>

But yeah, in short camhs/amhs need to get their shit together and a bigger budget/more staff would certainly help reduce the waiting times.
My biggest problem with CAMHS was the therapist rotation, every 8 months or so a patient gets a new therapist for little to no reason.

And yeah, they tend to do that here too, at least they did a few years back. Still NIs MHS are far better than Englands, at least from first hand experience.
Egh, that sounds like Locums/Temporary staff rotations <.<

Not a great system really, disrupting any progress like that :l
It's worse than staff rotations, the doctors weren't going onto different patients, they were getting completely different jobs in other facilities/hospitals. Now that was just for CAMHS. I have to say Adult services are far better, Maybe thats the work of the NI Executive or what I don't know but I hear things are going to get worse. NI has it's flaws but I'm thankful we have devolution to blunt the Tories blows.


 
 
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CAMHS is actually quite good in NI. Maybe because mental health is a bigger issue hear that's harder to brush under the rug than it England.
Yeah <.<

Maaaybe it's just a localised issue/firsthand experience but it's a bit of a cointoss here.

When I was first referred I was assigned to a brilliant psych who helped me sort my shit out, they did EMDR for the PTSD and it was 10/10. Then when I'd spoken to a few people who all got lumped with one of the other shrinks there, jesus christ he sounded like an asshat. Then we did this family therapy thing (10/10 would laugh at again) with him chairing it and christ he shouldn't be a shrink at all. Quite how he's passed the ongoing professional proficiency shit is beyond me.

The changeover period is a farce too, when they get a patient who is 16/17 they tend to just fudge the paperwork for a few months until they are too old to be treated by CAMHS and then say 'oh, you need to be assessed by the adult team and get put onto that waiting list instead' so that's about 15 months it took them to hand me from one service to the other. GG.

>_>

But yeah, in short camhs/amhs need to get their shit together and a bigger budget/more staff would certainly help reduce the waiting times.
My biggest problem with CAMHS was the therapist rotation, every 8 months or so a patient gets a new therapist for little to no reason.

And yeah, they tend to do that here too, at least they did a few years back. Still NIs MHS are far better than Englands, at least from first hand experience.
Egh, that sounds like Locums/Temporary staff rotations <.<

Not a great system really, disrupting any progress like that :l
It's worse than staff rotations, the doctors weren't going onto different patients, they were getting completely different jobs in other facilities/hospitals. Now that was just for CAMHS. I have to say Adult services are far better, Maybe thats the work of the NI Executive or what I don't know but I hear things are going to get worse. NI has it's flaws but I'm thankful we have devolution to blunt the Tories blows.
Well that's... a mess then.

Hm, I forgot about devolution. Lucky sods >_>