California Smoking Age to go from 18 -> 21

Onyx Sentinel · May 05, 2016, 02:40:04 PM

Quote from: PSU on May 05, 2016, 02:36:02 PM

Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:13:27 PM
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If you're in the military, then the person is just a narrow minded nationalist, or poor.

You're a fucking pussy.

It's called being intelligent, and not wasting your life fighting for petty causes.

No it's called you're a fucking pussy and less of a man because of it.
Having intelligence /=/ pussy.

Thinking you're smarter than everyone in the military.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

Hardly....

PSU · May 05, 2016, 02:42:15 PM

Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:40:04 PM

Quote from: PSU on May 05, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:13:27 PM
Quote from: PSU on May 05, 2016, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 12:24:28 PM
Quote from: PSU on May 05, 2016, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:58:43 AM
If you're in the military, then the person is just a narrow minded nationalist, or poor.

You're a fucking pussy.

It's called being intelligent, and not wasting your life fighting for petty causes.

No it's called you're a fucking pussy and less of a man because of it.
Having intelligence /=/ pussy.

Thinking you're smarter than everyone in the military.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
Hardly....

From my understanding you are saying you wouldn't fight in a war because of your superior intelligence.

Pretty easy to infer that you think you're smarter than everyone in the military because they signed up to potentially fight in a war.

May 05, 2016, 02:49:28 PM

Whether or not smoking is good for you has ZERO bearing here. Once you're legally able to give consent, you should be able to put whatever the hell you want to in your own body. This is a ridiculous law. Fuck California.

Onyx Sentinel · May 05, 2016, 02:58:20 PM

Quote from: PSU on May 05, 2016, 02:42:15 PM

Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:40:04 PM
Quote from: PSU on May 05, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:13:27 PM
Quote from: PSU on May 05, 2016, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 12:24:28 PM
Quote from: PSU on May 05, 2016, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:58:43 AM
If you're in the military, then the person is just a narrow minded nationalist, or poor.

You're a fucking pussy.

It's called being intelligent, and not wasting your life fighting for petty causes.

No it's called you're a fucking pussy and less of a man because of it.
Having intelligence /=/ pussy.

Thinking you're smarter than everyone in the military.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
Hardly....
From my understanding you are saying you wouldn't fight in a war because of your superior intelligence.

Pretty easy to infer that you think you're smarter than everyone in the military because they signed up to potentially fight in a war.

Intelligent people can be narrow minded.............
If someone does sign up... well that's their bad choice.

Verbatim · May 05, 2016, 03:41:26 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on May 05, 2016, 02:49:28 PM

Whether or not smoking is good for you has ZERO bearing here. Once you're legally able to give consent, you should be able to put whatever the hell you want to in your own body. This is a ridiculous law. Fuck California.

what if i believe the AoC should be like, 30, minimum

May 05, 2016, 03:50:15 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 05, 2016, 03:41:26 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on May 05, 2016, 02:49:28 PM
Whether or not smoking is good for you has ZERO bearing here. Once you're legally able to give consent, you should be able to put whatever the hell you want to in your own body. This is a ridiculous law. Fuck California.
what if i believe the AoC should be like, 30, minimum

Then you should be expected to live with your parents until you're 30, be tried as a minor until you're 30, not have to sign up for selective service until you're 30, etc.

The age of consent starts when you become a legal adult, at the latest. And when you become a legal adult starts when you're no longer an official dependent of the state and your parents.

Jocephalopod · May 05, 2016, 04:02:30 PM

yea but how will underground musicians have a unique aesthetic?

Flee · May 05, 2016, 04:12:16 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · May 05, 2016, 05:53:26 PM

Quote from: Flee on May 05, 2016, 04:12:16 PM

I believe that once a person is legally considered an adult, there should only be a very limited amount of otherwise legal products or actions unavailable to them.

Well that's because you're intelligent. Soccer moms and the politicians who pander to their vote aren't.

Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:58:20 PM

well that's their bad choice.

Nah, best job I ever had.

Onyx Sentinel · May 05, 2016, 06:14:59 PM

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Quote from: Flee on May 05, 2016, 04:12:16 PM
I believe that once a person is legally considered an adult, there should only be a very limited amount of otherwise legal products or actions unavailable to them.
Well that's because you're intelligent. Soccer moms and the politicians who pander to their vote aren't.

Quote from: Tsukuyomi Blade on May 05, 2016, 02:58:20 PM
well that's their bad choice.
Nah, best job I ever had.

Military is great for a career. I was implying from a moral perspective, that it was bad.

Gatortag · May 05, 2016, 10:28:54 PM

Don't agree with this. It won't help. Besides. It's up to the person. If they want to risk getting cancer, let them. I use it myself. Not smoking. Don't like it. Smells bad, and tastes bad. Only last a few minutes too. I tried nasal snuff once. Never again. Tried "dip". It's not that great. And it's messy. Swedish Snus is what I used. You can keep it in your mouth for 2-3 hours. Instead of 5 minutes like cigarettes. You aren't blowing smoke around other people. It tastes good. It's spitless as in you swallow it. And you aren't getting mouthfuls of nasty spit full of grains like moist snuff(dip). And the nicotine is quite high. Cigarettes usually only have 2-3MG of Nicotine per cigarette. Moist Snuff has around 8. Some Snus has up to 42. It's also much safer than moist snuff or smoking tobacco. It's regulated as a food product and fermented. Moist Snuff is already way less harmful than smoking. The mouth cancer you see on adverts like with baseball players is just anti-tobacco propaganda. Snus is probably the safest form of tobacco. Other than not doing it at all. Point is though. The government shouldn't worry about what people are doing to their bodies.

Verbatim · May 06, 2016, 11:46:34 AM

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Quote from: Verbatim on May 05, 2016, 09:42:47 AM
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>smoking makes you a degenerate
Fucking hell yes it does.
I'm wholeheartedly against smoking cigarettes, but why do you think pushing the word "Degenerate" onto everyone who engages in smoking, drinking, or any sort of recreational substances is smart? Do you think that the people involved in these things are irredeemable scumbags who can do no right?

It's not a matter of whether it's "smart," it's a matter of whether it's true--and it is.

Does being a degenerate mean you're an "irredeemable scumbag who can do no right"? Of course it doesn't.

But you're still a degenerate. And all that means is that you're a shifty, irresponsible, and generally unintelligent person who has no regard for his or her health. If you can't be trusted to take care of yourself, you're a degenerate. You're just another example of why the human race fucking sucks.

I just described 99.99% of people.

Verbatim · May 06, 2016, 11:48:42 AM

But don't worry--my viewpoint is wrong and easy to disregard because it's negative and pessimistic and affronting.

Alternative Facts · May 06, 2016, 12:00:24 PM

I really fail to see the point - the rate of tobacco usage among the next generation continues to decline, and this law cuts out potential tax revenue from the (idiotic) 18-20 year olds that will be smoking.

challengerX · May 06, 2016, 12:43:15 PM

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Verbatim · May 06, 2016, 12:44:30 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on May 06, 2016, 11:48:42 AM
But don't worry--my viewpoint is wrong and easy to disregard because it's negative and pessimistic and affronting.
Do you smoke?

Um, no.

challengerX · May 06, 2016, 12:45:47 PM

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Verbatim · May 06, 2016, 12:47:55 PM

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But don't worry--my viewpoint is wrong and easy to disregard because it's negative and pessimistic and affronting.
Do you smoke?
Um, no.
ok

what exactly compelled you to ask me that

challengerX · May 06, 2016, 12:49:30 PM

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Winy · May 06, 2016, 01:02:05 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 06, 2016, 11:46:34 AM

But you're still a degenerate. And all that means is that you're a shifty, irresponsible, and generally unintelligent person who has no regard for his or her health. If you can't be trusted to take care of yourself, you're a degenerate. You're just another example of why the human race fucking sucks.

I just described 99.99% of people.

A person who drinks or does drugs, disregarding all of their other choices, is still a "Shifty, irresponsible, and generally unintelligent person?" And I'm not even talking about heavy users, just in general.

You're insane.

Verbatim · May 06, 2016, 01:06:45 PM

Quote from: Winy on May 06, 2016, 01:02:05 PM

A person who drinks or does drugs, disregarding all of their other choices, is still a "Shifty, irresponsible, and generally unintelligent person?" And I'm not even talking about heavy users, just in general.

Yes, because the responsible and intelligent thing to do is to NOT drink or do drugs. It's not complicated.

Yes, I'm insane, because I recognize that the human race is comprised of hedonistic and irresponsible wastes of life.

Because I recognize a fact, I'm insane.

Winy · May 06, 2016, 01:10:46 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 06, 2016, 01:06:45 PM

Quote from: Winy on May 06, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
A person who drinks or does drugs, disregarding all of their other choices, is still a "Shifty, irresponsible, and generally unintelligent person?" And I'm not even talking about heavy users, just in general.
Yes, because the responsible and intelligent thing to do is to NOT drink or do drugs. It's not complicated.

It's certainly more complicated than you apparently think it is. Someone doing something that isn't the peak of responsibility or intelligence doesn't make that person stupid on the whole. Drinking and doing (Some) drugs is fine in moderation. Good people have done and still do both. If you try to deny that, again, you're insane.

Verbatim · May 06, 2016, 01:12:25 PM

Quote from: Winy on May 06, 2016, 01:10:46 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 06, 2016, 01:06:45 PM
Quote from: Winy on May 06, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
A person who drinks or does drugs, disregarding all of their other choices, is still a "Shifty, irresponsible, and generally unintelligent person?" And I'm not even talking about heavy users, just in general.
Yes, because the responsible and intelligent thing to do is to NOT drink or do drugs. It's not complicated.
It's certainly more complicated than you apparently think it is. Someone doing something that isn't the peak of responsibility or intelligence doesn't make that person stupid on the whole.

Only if they do something to make up for it.

Which, 99.99% of people don't. Ever. And will never.

Winy · May 06, 2016, 01:15:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 06, 2016, 01:12:25 PM

Quote from: Winy on May 06, 2016, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on May 06, 2016, 01:06:45 PM
Quote from: Winy on May 06, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
A person who drinks or does drugs, disregarding all of their other choices, is still a "Shifty, irresponsible, and generally unintelligent person?" And I'm not even talking about heavy users, just in general.
Yes, because the responsible and intelligent thing to do is to NOT drink or do drugs. It's not complicated.
It's certainly more complicated than you apparently think it is. Someone doing something that isn't the peak of responsibility or intelligence doesn't make that person stupid on the whole.
Only if they do something to make up for it.

Which, 99.99% of people don't. Ever. And will never.

That's one hell of a stretch. What, to you, qualifies as making up for something like a night where someone decides to drink?

Verbatim · May 06, 2016, 01:20:37 PM

Quote from: Winy on May 06, 2016, 01:15:18 PM

That's one hell of a stretch. What, to you, qualifies as making up for something like a night where someone decides to drink?

There is nothing on this planet that the average person can do other than be a degenerate. Once you drink, you can't just magically undo that. So the only things you can do to make up for being a worthless degenerate piece of shit human being are either of two things--1.) something on the level of curing cancer, where you're actually contributing something of value to the human race instead of pure shit and stupidity, or 2.) vowing to never partake in degenerate behavior again.

maverick · May 06, 2016, 02:32:22 PM

Some of the most pseudo intellectual shit I've ever read

Verbatim · May 06, 2016, 02:36:22 PM

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Some of the most pseudo intellectual shit I've ever read

"Wahhh, it's pseudo-intellectual because I disagree!!"

And yet you can't refute it.

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🂿 · May 06, 2016, 02:43:37 PM

Honestly this is a good thing. Smoking is bad overall but its better than having it be legal to smoke at 18.

Ian · May 06, 2016, 03:16:04 PM

ITT: Another subject devolves into Verbatim's opinions....