British police show US cops how to arrest people without shooting them

 
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Thought this was pretty interesting.


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This seems to be reliant on having multiple officers.
Not since tasers have become standard issue.


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Да ли је то истина или се само шалиш?
Those American cops at the beginning made me mad. They wish they could have handled the situation as well.
Last Edit: June 17, 2016, 10:35:07 AM by IMPERIAL GUNNER


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That's a pretty solid method when the taser actually incapacitates the guy like in this staged example; otherwise, he's just dropped his weapon and endangered the civilian's and his own life.

The main issue with shooting suspects is when it's unjustified. A guy coming at an officer and a civilian with a knife? Yeah, drop him.


 
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when the taser actually incapacitates the guy
I'm not gonna lie, I'm surprised the copper got that close to him, even though it was just a demonstration.


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That's a pretty solid method when the taser actually incapacitates the guy like in this staged example; otherwise, he's just dropped his weapon and endangered the civilian's and his own life.

The main issue with shooting suspects is when it's unjustified. A guy coming at an officer and a civilian with a knife? Yeah, drop him.

Exactly. I do agree in some cases it is justified to utilize a firearm, although those American cops in the first clip probably don't know when it is, as they come off as trigger-happy. I'd say that there are non-lethal areas that should be aimed for first, like the legs or shoulders. However, almost everyone who is deranged enough to come at an officer with a knife might not stop even then.


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when the taser actually incapacitates the guy
I'm not gonna lie, I'm surprised the copper got that close to him, even though it was just a demonstration.

A typical police taser has an effective range of about 5 meters--a distance one could cover in less than a second. What really baffles me is that their technique is to tase the guy (they're programmed for a burst of a certain duration), then drop their taser (which is attached to their belt, apparently), and pull out a club; rather than get distance and keep their taser in their hand, he just sort of hops around the suspect and takes a few seconds to pull out a nightstick.

I'm not going to presume to know anything about Scottish police tactics, but unless that taser worked perfectly, the cop would've been stabbed in a real-world scenario.


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By the way, I found it ridiculous when a huge mob of police officers had to surround the one dude with the machete.


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I'd say that there are non-lethal areas that should be aimed for first, like the legs or shoulders.

There's really no "non-lethal" body part to aim for; limbs contain vital arteries and nerves; extremities control motor functions and tactile response; the shoulders also contain arteries and are dangerously close to vital organs, etc. And then there's risk of ricochet or hitting somebody behind the target due to a miss. Center of mass is the safest target.

That said, I do think many cops could use a lesson in deescalation of violence.
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I'd say that there are non-lethal areas that should be aimed for first, like the legs or shoulders.

There's really no "non-lethal" body part to aim for; limbs contain vital arteries and nerves; extremities control motor functions and tactile response; the shoulders also contain arteries and are dangerously close to vital organs, etc. And then there's risk of ricochet or hitting somebody behind the target due to a miss. Center of mass is the safest target.

Oh yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying, I didn't think about that all too much. In fact, I was hesitant to include that in the first place.


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That's a pretty solid method when the taser actually incapacitates the guy like in this staged example; otherwise, he's just dropped his weapon and endangered the civilian's and his own life.

The main issue with shooting suspects is when it's unjustified. A guy coming at an officer and a civilian with a knife? Yeah, drop him.

Exactly. I do agree in some cases it is justified to utilize a firearm, although those American cops in the first clip probably don't know when it is, as they come off as trigger-happy. I'd say that there are non-lethal areas that should be aimed for first, like the legs or shoulders. However, almost everyone who is deranged enough to come at an officer with a knife might not stop even then.
Jesus, it's unbelievable how uneducated people are when it comes to firearms. No offense, but the amount of times I've seen this "aim for non lethal areas" meme is making me sick to my stomach.

You ALWAYS aim for center mass. Especially if somebody's rushing you and adrenaline is pumping. Life isn't a video game, it's much more difficult to aim a gun than you'd think.

Yeah, I know. I don't know what I was thinking when including that. Like I said with my response to Turkey, I shouldn't have included that.


 
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British police also don't have to deal with the possibility that every civilian is carrying a fire arm.

I'm not saying the US police couldn't be more restrained (they sure as hell could), but I think that drives another wedge in it. Though that's not always the case given exactly what we've seen on video.


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Whatever works in Britain, is never going to work here. People here are way too fucking crazy.


 
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A typical police taser has an effective range of about 5 meters
The X-26 comes with cartridges of variable ranges, with the furthest being 35ft. Or around 11m.

Also, bearing in mind this is a demonstration that appears to be meant to show the functionality of a Taser, I have my doubts that the coppers acted as they would've done in a real-life situation. Unless somebody is immediately threatened, usual course of action for the police is to call in more officers.

And watching some Youtube videos of coppers trying to take down people with weapons, I'm yet to find one where they literally stand still as somebody charges them while firing the Taser as that cop did in the demonstration.
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You ALWAYS aim for center mass.
Yup. If you're gonna shoot somebody, you'd better go for the chest. Best way to drop 'em quicky.


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You ALWAYS aim for center mass.
Yup. If you're gonna shoot somebody, you'd better go for the chest. Best way to drop 'em quicky.

I too am in agreement now. Honestly, if anyone is endangering the life of someone else, they deserve it.


 
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>20 coppers for one guy

I mean, I get the idea behind it but it's a pretty wasteful use of police resources.


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oh my god

What? Is it because you are surprised I'm agreeing, or do you not like the meme that statement has turned into?


 
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So.... you boys over there actually unironically say "coppers"...


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>20 coppers for one guy

I mean, I get the idea behind it but it's a pretty wasteful use of police resources.
Yeah, it's quite ridiculous. Not even all of them seem to be doing anything, there's like 5+ just standing around. Not that many should be needed to crowd around one guy, even if he is armed with a machete.


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So.... you boys over there actually unironically say "coppers"...

yes


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So.... you boys over there actually unironically say "coppers"...
It's honestly the best term for the police that exists.


 
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So.... you boys over there actually unironically say "coppers"...
It's honestly the best term for the police that exists.
I usually like "jackbooted thugs" but hey, whatever you prefer man.


 
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I too am in agreement
oh my god

What? Is it because you are surprised I'm agreeing, or do you not like the meme that statement has turned into?
I'm just happy to see my meme grow
hahaha i too am in agreement


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oh my god

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