but they don't have a care what if what they do is wrong
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 12:37:08 PMbut they don't have a care what if what they do is wrongWhich is exactly the point. People with ASPD literally lack the emotional connection necessary for moral motivation. It's not that they decide to be an immoralist cunt - they are literally incapable of properly perceiving the weights and scales involved in ethical conduct.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 09:44:04 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 09:29:47 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 09:24:49 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 09:19:41 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 08:51:17 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 07:11:06 AMI wouldn't care if he was shot. Be an idiot then you get the idiot treatmentPlease kinder, either wisen the fuck up or don't become a cop. I'm serious too.So what if it was a real gun and the punk decided to fire at the residence of an individual? And where were his parents? They must be even more pathetic for not watching him>punkYes, that's it. Blame the mentally ill! BLAME THEM KINDER, IT'S THEIR FAULT FOR BEING SINNERS.All they did was give him tests; doesn't mean he's ill. And because a person has a defect, that doesn't automatically mean they have no understanding of right and wrong. My brother is on the autism spectrum and knows pointing a gun is bad, same with many othersSomeone who walks down the street pointing a gun at the police is not right in the head, same as someone who walks into a school and starts shooting. The tests they are being given are to figure out what exactly is wrong with them so they can get treatment for it and return to normal.And autism is not related to wandering down the street pointing guns are people, that's more the territory of clinical depression, schizophrenia, PTSD or a general term of being severely disturbed.Aside from that, an anecdotal statement about your sibling doesn't necessarily apply to another human on the other side of the planet.Just because somebody isn't doesn't mean they are paranoid-schizophrenics. A person with a disability can still understand right from wrongGood thing I mentioned others
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 09:29:47 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 09:24:49 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 09:19:41 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 08:51:17 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 07:11:06 AMI wouldn't care if he was shot. Be an idiot then you get the idiot treatmentPlease kinder, either wisen the fuck up or don't become a cop. I'm serious too.So what if it was a real gun and the punk decided to fire at the residence of an individual? And where were his parents? They must be even more pathetic for not watching him>punkYes, that's it. Blame the mentally ill! BLAME THEM KINDER, IT'S THEIR FAULT FOR BEING SINNERS.All they did was give him tests; doesn't mean he's ill. And because a person has a defect, that doesn't automatically mean they have no understanding of right and wrong. My brother is on the autism spectrum and knows pointing a gun is bad, same with many othersSomeone who walks down the street pointing a gun at the police is not right in the head, same as someone who walks into a school and starts shooting. The tests they are being given are to figure out what exactly is wrong with them so they can get treatment for it and return to normal.And autism is not related to wandering down the street pointing guns are people, that's more the territory of clinical depression, schizophrenia, PTSD or a general term of being severely disturbed.Aside from that, an anecdotal statement about your sibling doesn't necessarily apply to another human on the other side of the planet.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 09:24:49 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 09:19:41 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 08:51:17 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 07:11:06 AMI wouldn't care if he was shot. Be an idiot then you get the idiot treatmentPlease kinder, either wisen the fuck up or don't become a cop. I'm serious too.So what if it was a real gun and the punk decided to fire at the residence of an individual? And where were his parents? They must be even more pathetic for not watching him>punkYes, that's it. Blame the mentally ill! BLAME THEM KINDER, IT'S THEIR FAULT FOR BEING SINNERS.All they did was give him tests; doesn't mean he's ill. And because a person has a defect, that doesn't automatically mean they have no understanding of right and wrong. My brother is on the autism spectrum and knows pointing a gun is bad, same with many others
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 09:19:41 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 08:51:17 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 07:11:06 AMI wouldn't care if he was shot. Be an idiot then you get the idiot treatmentPlease kinder, either wisen the fuck up or don't become a cop. I'm serious too.So what if it was a real gun and the punk decided to fire at the residence of an individual? And where were his parents? They must be even more pathetic for not watching him>punkYes, that's it. Blame the mentally ill! BLAME THEM KINDER, IT'S THEIR FAULT FOR BEING SINNERS.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 12, 2014, 08:51:17 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 07:11:06 AMI wouldn't care if he was shot. Be an idiot then you get the idiot treatmentPlease kinder, either wisen the fuck up or don't become a cop. I'm serious too.So what if it was a real gun and the punk decided to fire at the residence of an individual? And where were his parents? They must be even more pathetic for not watching him
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 07:11:06 AMI wouldn't care if he was shot. Be an idiot then you get the idiot treatmentPlease kinder, either wisen the fuck up or don't become a cop. I'm serious too.
I wouldn't care if he was shot. Be an idiot then you get the idiot treatment
But they still know committing a felony is still wrong
I'm pretty emotionally detached with many things
But they still know committing a felony is still wrong.
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 12:49:19 PMBut they still know committing a felony is still wrong.They may have been told it's wrong and be aware others see it's wrong, but since they lack emotions like empathy they're going to have a hard time understanding why it's wrong.
I get the whole lack of emotions, but they have been told what's right and what's wrong. There doesn't need to be a whole complicated response that pointing a firearm at people is wrong; it's wrong, don't do it, simple as that.
I get the whole lack of emotions, but they have been told what's right and what's wrong.
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 12:57:59 PMI get the whole lack of emotions, but they have been told what's right and what's wrong.So, you stop doing things any time someone tells you it is wrong? Stop posted then, I declare it wrong.
Quote from: God on December 12, 2014, 01:02:59 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 12:57:59 PMI get the whole lack of emotions, but they have been told what's right and what's wrong.So, you stop doing things any time someone tells you it is wrong? Stop posted then, I declare it wrong.You're not my parent or any authority figure, what you say has no legal effect and is just a simple opinion. Government says threatening is wrong, there doesn't need to be 52 page essay explaining why, simply don't do it
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 12:57:59 PMI get the whole lack of emotions, but they have been told what's right and what's wrong. There doesn't need to be a whole complicated response that pointing a firearm at people is wrong; it's wrong, don't do it, simple as that. You obviously don't get it. It's like telling an alcoholic to just stop drinking. Or telling somebody who's depressed to just cheer up. If this were ADHD, or some sort of minor impulse control disorder then I'd understand, but you seem to be completely missing the point that these emotional disconnections and brain abnormalities lead it to be one of the most difficult to treat disorders. It also doesn't help that most psychopaths are narcissistic. It's like expecting Ted Bundy to listen to you when you give him a stern telling off.
You're not my parent or any authority figure
Kinder you are on a roll lately
Know what the court will do? Laugh and say it doesn't matter what I feel, I've been told and it's written that committing certain acts is wrong
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 01:09:41 PMYou're not my parent or any authority figureWhich is exactly how a psychopath responds to pretty much anybody who isn't himself.
But how do you know for certain this person is a nutcase?
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 01:11:47 PM Know what the court will do? Laugh and say it doesn't matter what I feel, I've been told and it's written that committing certain acts is wrongWhich is why psychopathy isn't considered an illness with which one can be classed criminally insane. Let me change tack and ask you a direct question: If you find a man who has murdered a woman "just to know what it felt like", and then further examination showed a tumor the size of a golf-ball in his prefrontal cortex, would you hold him seriously morally responsible?
he did commit a crime but wasn't all the way there.
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 01:17:16 PMBut how do you know for certain this person is a nutcase?We don't know either way, which is why it's worthwhile to actually find out before just gunning him down on sight.
In certain situations, things have to be taken to action in a swift manner to prevent unnecessary collateral damage
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 01:17:16 PMBut how do you know for certain this person is a nutcase? Having a 16-year-old point a rifle at police is fairly indicative of some sort of antisocial tendencies. I'm essentially the most serious authority on this site on the issue - as Mr. P will surely attest - since I know what it's like to think like him, and I've done my research. There are ways of separating the wolves from the herd. We'll find out soon enough. The point, however, is that if he is indeed antisocial, then we cannot seriously say he knows right from wrong.
Quote from: God on December 12, 2014, 01:20:52 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 01:17:16 PMBut how do you know for certain this person is a nutcase?We don't know either way, which is why it's worthwhile to actually find out before just gunning him down on sight.Which brings to my point many responses back, what if he opened fire and a bystander in their house was struck? What if the pellet gun had been a real gun and a person was hit? The department would be held accountable. A situation where an armed person is outside in a populated area is different than a person in their home with nobody around. In certain situations, things have to be taken to action in a swift manner to prevent unnecessary collateral damage
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 01:09:41 PMQuote from: God on December 12, 2014, 01:02:59 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 12, 2014, 12:57:59 PMI get the whole lack of emotions, but they have been told what's right and what's wrong.So, you stop doing things any time someone tells you it is wrong? Stop posted then, I declare it wrong.You're not my parent or any authority figure, what you say has no legal effect and is just a simple opinion. Government says threatening is wrong, there doesn't need to be 52 page essay explaining why, simply don't do itIt's only wrong because the government says it wrong?If we still had slaves, would it be okay because the government says it's okay?
What a waste of time and money, it woulda been cheaper to have shot him.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 12, 2014, 04:03:58 PMWhat a waste of time and money, it woulda been cheaper to have shot him.This is the serious board.
SIx hours, huh? He'd probably have been shot in six minutes over here...