Under the Master Persuader filter, where reason is an illusion, I like to watch how stereotypes are shaping up in order to know what’s really happening.Forget about policies for now. Let’s look at the stereotypes we are starting to form in our minds for the major candidates.For Trump, we have the “angry white male racists” stereotype for his supporters. As with all stereotypes, it has enough grains of truth to hold it’s shape, but it isn’t an actual truth. Likewise, in the stereotyped world of our biased brains, Hillary Clinton’s supporters fall into three groups now:1. Women2. Unarmed men3. RapistsTed Cruz’ supporters are mostly Canadians and ultra-conservative Republicans who can’t get past Trump’s haircut. Again, this is just the cartoon versions forming in our minds, not any kind of truth.But Bernie Sanders is the interesting one. His strongest base of support is people in their early twenties. As stereotypes go, that’s a good one. In our biased minds, Bernie doesn’t have supporters who are racists, rapists, or Canadians. His supporters are young, healthy, college kids.Advantage: SandersBut here’s the funny part. And I wonder if you already see it. What distinction do the young have – as voters – that is different from the racists, rapists, Canadians, angry white men, unarmed men, conservative Republicans, and women?Answer: The young are the stupidest votersI say this with affection. I was once young myself. And I know how little I understood about the world then, compared to now. My IQ was about the same, but in terms of wisdom and perspective, I was operating at about 10% of my potential. That’s probably true for everyone. We start ignorant and we improve with age.Just to be clear, what I’m saying is that even if Sanders supporters were ALSO racists, rapists, Canadians, ultra-conservative Republicans, women, and angry white men – they would be the dumbest among that grouping. The young are the dumbest (in terms of politics) in EVERY group.In a world of reason, the candidate with the strongest support among young (i.e. dumb) voters would seem the most ridiculous. Instead, we see it as the best possible situation for a candidate, in terms of the optics of it. It looks great to have the young on your side, with their energy and optimism.When you think of Sanders – and whether you like him or not – you probably have in your mind that he’s the adult in the conversation. He doesn’t seem to intentionally say things he knows to be untrue. You can question the math of his policies, or the practicality, but it does look as if he means what he says. And what does Sanders get for being so rational and reasonable?He gets the dumbest supporters.
Quote from: Septy on January 17, 2016, 02:15:13 AMDumb college kid is an oxymoron.have you been to college?It's filled with as much of the lowest common denominator as any other setting in life.
Dumb college kid is an oxymoron.
Quote from: Septy on January 17, 2016, 02:28:20 AMQuote from: † on January 17, 2016, 02:22:24 AMQuote from: Septy on January 17, 2016, 02:15:13 AMDumb college kid is an oxymoron.have you been to college?It's filled with as much of the lowest common denominator as any other setting in life.The majority of college students aren't stupid. If you're stupid then you can't afford to be in collegeHAHAHASepty is a dumb college kid, guys.
Quote from: † on January 17, 2016, 02:22:24 AMQuote from: Septy on January 17, 2016, 02:15:13 AMDumb college kid is an oxymoron.have you been to college?It's filled with as much of the lowest common denominator as any other setting in life.The majority of college students aren't stupid. If you're stupid then you can't afford to be in college
Worthless ad hominem that isn't worth a second thought.
Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 17, 2016, 09:29:52 AMWorthless ad hominem that isn't worth a second thought.Pretty much what I was thinking. You could just as easily, and just as erroneously say that all Conservatives are just gun toting racists.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on January 17, 2016, 09:38:24 AMQuote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 17, 2016, 09:29:52 AMWorthless ad hominem that isn't worth a second thought.Pretty much what I was thinking. You could just as easily, and just as erroneously say that all Conservatives are just gun toting racists.Except it's not entirely clear that support for Cruz is disproportionately racist gun-owners. It is clear that a disproportionate amount of Sanders' support comes from the young.
So?
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on January 17, 2016, 10:51:34 AMSo?We have a legitimate basis by which to judge him. Having data about who supports a certain candidate does allow us to draw conclusions. I'm not saying the OP is correct, merely that his point is not fallacious.
He says the 18-25 year old base are idiots.
And, let's be perfectly honest, a lot of 18-25 year olds don't have especially tenable ideas on government and policy.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on January 17, 2016, 11:18:32 AMHe says the 18-25 year old base are idiots. And, let's be perfectly honest, a lot of 18-25 year olds don't have especially tenable ideas on government and policy.
seems like there isnt really much of a distinction here aside from age/experience.
Quote from: Azumarill on January 17, 2016, 12:33:35 PM seems like there isnt really much of a distinction here aside from age/experience. That's my point. I'm sure the Boomers were pretty dumb in their early years.
I'm saying if a candidate draws support disproportionately from a particular demographic then we are not fallacious to try and draw conclusions. The same applies as much to Ron Paul as Sanders.