why should i care about the israel/palestine conflict
Quote from: Verbatim on July 16, 2015, 09:58:24 PMwhy should i care about the israel/palestine conflictWhy shouldn't you?
Because it'll determine the fate of the world.
what is it about this one
even if Bernie came out as a serial rapist I'd still vote for him
Quote from: Verbatim on July 16, 2015, 10:06:18 PMwhat is it about this oneA lot of those other conflicts are based on the same foundation: civilisation vs. fundamentalist Islam. It's no use ignoring Israel and Hamas if you can't ignore Kurdistan, Iraq, Syria, Boko Haram, the various terrorist attacks in Western countries et cetera. And I think, both morally and for your own intellectual sake, one can't ignore any of those conflicts totally. Or, at least, you must affirm your position on the right side of the divide. Those who do not stand with us stand against us by default, there is no neutrality in this war.
A lot of those other conflicts are based on the same foundation: civilisation vs. fundamentalist Islam. It's no use ignoring Israel and Hamas if you can't ignore Kurdistan, Iraq, Syria, Boko Haram, the various terrorist attacks in Western countries et cetera. And I think, both morally and for your own intellectual sake, one can't ignore any of those conflicts totally. Or, at least, you must affirm your position on the right side of the divide. Those who do not stand with us stand against us by default, there is no neutrality in this war.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 16, 2015, 10:10:36 PMA lot of those other conflicts are based on the same foundation: civilisation vs. fundamentalist Islam. It's no use ignoring Israel and Hamas if you can't ignore Kurdistan, Iraq, Syria, Boko Haram, the various terrorist attacks in Western countries et cetera. And I think, both morally and for your own intellectual sake, one can't ignore any of those conflicts totally. Or, at least, you must affirm your position on the right side of the divide. Those who do not stand with us stand against us by default, there is no neutrality in this war.I don't know how I can be expected to just pick a side when1. I don't know the entire history of the country (though you could argue that the onus is on me to educate myself, even though I truthfully just don't care at all)2. The entire issue is so convoluted and difficult to follow, mostly because I don't know where to look, considering every single source I find is gonna have some bias towards one side--some details of every article are gonna be conveniently left out3. Both sides seem to have a very strong case. If Israel is being attacked, they have the right to defend themselves. But if Palestine is being oppressed, they have the right to be upset about that.4. There's still other pertinent shit to be worrying about and discussing--especially as someone who lives nowhere near the Middle East.And even when you account for the fact that both sides have a very strong case--it doesn't matter to these people. You're a fucking idiot if you support Israel, you're a fucking idiot if you support Palestine, and you're a fucking idiot if you don't care and refuse to pick a side because no conflict should be happening in the first place. Anywhere, ever.Though if you really want me to pick a side, I guess it would be Israel, arbitrarily, because out of all the articles I've read, I tend to sympathize with them more.Logically speaking, if I cared to look into it more, I'd end up "siding" with the ones who are taking the least measures to harm innocent people, and whose cause is the least religiously motivated. So... Israel. I think.
Quote from: Verbatim on July 17, 2015, 02:18:53 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 16, 2015, 10:10:36 PMA lot of those other conflicts are based on the same foundation: civilisation vs. fundamentalist Islam. It's no use ignoring Israel and Hamas if you can't ignore Kurdistan, Iraq, Syria, Boko Haram, the various terrorist attacks in Western countries et cetera. And I think, both morally and for your own intellectual sake, one can't ignore any of those conflicts totally. Or, at least, you must affirm your position on the right side of the divide. Those who do not stand with us stand against us by default, there is no neutrality in this war.I don't know how I can be expected to just pick a side when1. I don't know the entire history of the country (though you could argue that the onus is on me to educate myself, even though I truthfully just don't care at all)2. The entire issue is so convoluted and difficult to follow, mostly because I don't know where to look, considering every single source I find is gonna have some bias towards one side--some details of every article are gonna be conveniently left out3. Both sides seem to have a very strong case. If Israel is being attacked, they have the right to defend themselves. But if Palestine is being oppressed, they have the right to be upset about that.4. There's still other pertinent shit to be worrying about and discussing--especially as someone who lives nowhere near the Middle East.And even when you account for the fact that both sides have a very strong case--it doesn't matter to these people. You're a fucking idiot if you support Israel, you're a fucking idiot if you support Palestine, and you're a fucking idiot if you don't care and refuse to pick a side because no conflict should be happening in the first place. Anywhere, ever.Though if you really want me to pick a side, I guess it would be Israel, arbitrarily, because out of all the articles I've read, I tend to sympathize with them more.Logically speaking, if I cared to look into it more, I'd end up "siding" with the ones who are taking the least measures to harm innocent people, and whose cause is the least religiously motivated. So... Israel. I think.You don't need to understand convoluted historical or sociological trends to understand that one side is comprised of raving, fundamentalist zealots and the other largely isn't. That's the only dividing line you really need.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 17, 2015, 02:36:22 PMYou don't need to understand convoluted historical or sociological trends to understand that one side is comprised of raving, fundamentalist zealots and the other largely isn't. That's the only dividing line you really need.That's funny, because who the raving, fundamentalist zealots are changes depending on which side you're asking.
You don't need to understand convoluted historical or sociological trends to understand that one side is comprised of raving, fundamentalist zealots and the other largely isn't. That's the only dividing line you really need.
That's funny, because who the raving, fundamentalist zealots are changes depending on which side you're asking.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 17, 2015, 02:37:36 PMThat's funny, because who the raving, fundamentalist zealots are changes depending on which side you're asking.We generally know better than to ask Stormfront about these things, Max.
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on July 17, 2015, 04:15:17 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 17, 2015, 02:37:36 PMThat's funny, because who the raving, fundamentalist zealots are changes depending on which side you're asking.We generally know better than to ask Stormfront about these things, Max...the fuck is Stormfront?
Bernie Sanders apparently can't take being questioned
