Quote from: Winy on January 15, 2016, 10:14:07 PMQuote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 15, 2016, 10:12:04 PMQuote from: Winy on January 15, 2016, 10:09:04 PMQuoteEmployers will do so in a labour market of which is saturated with higher education.That's a bad thing? More jobs for everyone?No, less jobs. Your BA becomes about as useful as a GED and now that corporate mid-level management gig you were gonna land requires a masters degree.I don't see how the money plays into that, though. Wouldn't the more skilled individuals still come up on top, and be chosen for the position?Right. Now we have even more people with useless degrees that can't get a job in their field. So what do they do? Take unrelated base, entry level management positions away from the laborers already in that field who would actually understand how to manage their co-workers better than some fucking suit that corporate decided to hire because he's got a four year degree in Women's Studies and you just have a high a school diploma.
Quote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 15, 2016, 10:12:04 PMQuote from: Winy on January 15, 2016, 10:09:04 PMQuoteEmployers will do so in a labour market of which is saturated with higher education.That's a bad thing? More jobs for everyone?No, less jobs. Your BA becomes about as useful as a GED and now that corporate mid-level management gig you were gonna land requires a masters degree.I don't see how the money plays into that, though. Wouldn't the more skilled individuals still come up on top, and be chosen for the position?
Quote from: Winy on January 15, 2016, 10:09:04 PMQuoteEmployers will do so in a labour market of which is saturated with higher education.That's a bad thing? More jobs for everyone?No, less jobs. Your BA becomes about as useful as a GED and now that corporate mid-level management gig you were gonna land requires a masters degree.
QuoteEmployers will do so in a labour market of which is saturated with higher education.That's a bad thing? More jobs for everyone?
Employers will do so in a labour market of which is saturated with higher education.
Quote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 15, 2016, 10:18:51 PMQuote from: Winy on January 15, 2016, 10:14:07 PMQuote from: DAS THE HALLS on January 15, 2016, 10:12:04 PMQuote from: Winy on January 15, 2016, 10:09:04 PMQuoteEmployers will do so in a labour market of which is saturated with higher education.That's a bad thing? More jobs for everyone?No, less jobs. Your BA becomes about as useful as a GED and now that corporate mid-level management gig you were gonna land requires a masters degree.I don't see how the money plays into that, though. Wouldn't the more skilled individuals still come up on top, and be chosen for the position?Right. Now we have even more people with useless degrees that can't get a job in their field. So what do they do? Take unrelated base, entry level management positions away from the laborers already in that field who would actually understand how to manage their co-workers better than some fucking suit that corporate decided to hire because he's got a four year degree in Women's Studies and you just have a high a school diploma....That sounds like a bad idea on the employer's part. Why wouldn't they just choose the people with the best qualifications?
So do you guys not think that the levels of student dept some people have to deal with is stupidly high?
Quote from: Winy on January 15, 2016, 10:09:04 PMQuoteEmployers will do so in a labour market of which is saturated with higher education.That's a bad thing? More jobs for everyone?. . . How do you take that from what I said?
Quote from: Imperial Apologist on January 15, 2016, 11:31:03 PMQuote from: Winy on January 15, 2016, 10:09:04 PMQuoteEmployers will do so in a labour market of which is saturated with higher education.That's a bad thing? More jobs for everyone?. . . How do you take that from what I said?An extremely poor understanding of this topic.
Then the problem is that people without the skills or qualifications then are the state of being and underclass.
Quote from: Imperial Apologist on January 15, 2016, 11:58:58 PMThen the problem is that people without the skills or qualifications then are the state of being and underclass.Doesn't this sort of happen already?
If almost everybody has a Bach degree, it certainly wouldn't be unusual for businesses to include it as a minimum requirement.
Quote from: Winy on January 16, 2016, 12:23:29 AMQuote from: Imperial Apologist on January 15, 2016, 11:58:58 PMThen the problem is that people without the skills or qualifications then are the state of being and underclass.Doesn't this sort of happen already?Yeah, and it's going to get worse if we don't properly re-organise the education sector's organisation and operation. It's a process called skill-biased technical change, where those whose productivity is boosted via technology receive higher wages than those who have not had their productivity boosted (i.e. a lot of people without qualifications or many marketable skills).
Right, so think how fucking hard it will be to find a job when the labor market is flooded with BAs.
And they will likely pay even better to attract workers if need be. These jobs will always pay a lot because they are dangerous but need to be done.
Military, which will fucking pay for college, being the most obvious.
Everybody can't be an accountant or nurse.
but it already is absurdly difficult to find a job without a BA.
Quote from: Imperial Apologist on January 16, 2016, 11:06:15 AMQuote from: Winy on January 16, 2016, 12:23:29 AMQuote from: Imperial Apologist on January 15, 2016, 11:58:58 PMThen the problem is that people without the skills or qualifications then are the state of being and underclass.Doesn't this sort of happen already?Yeah, and it's going to get worse if we don't properly re-organise the education sector's organisation and operation. It's a process called skill-biased technical change, where those whose productivity is boosted via technology receive higher wages than those who have not had their productivity boosted (i.e. a lot of people without qualifications or many marketable skills).So what's the alternative? What I mean is, what's the proper way to reorganize the education system to maximize outreach and still function adequately in a socioeconomic sense?
miseducation (or, people getting too much of the 'wrong' degree) is harming the poorest in society by inflating the supply of credentials in an economy.