Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who is a leading Republican presidential contender, has intensified his defense of gun rights in response to last week’s Oregon campus massacre, arguing that the Second Amendment is more sacred than spilled blood.He also suggested that the victims should have had the courage to attack their assailant and accused President Obama of politicizing the tragedy by embracing the families of the dead.In a Facebook question-and-answer session Monday night, Mr. Carson tried to show empathy with victims by recalling that two of his cousins were killed in the streets and that, as a doctor, he had removed many bullets from the bodies of gunshot victims. But he said the right to bear arms was paramount.“I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away,” Mr. Carson wrote.And on Tuesday, Mr. Carson’s suggestion that he would have fought back in the face of an attack like the one in Roseburg, Ore., went viral, drawing widespread rebuke from his critics and reviving questions about his candidacy.“I would not just stand there and let him shoot me,” Mr. Carson, who has been surging in recent polls, said on Fox News. “I would say: ‘Hey, guys, everybody attack him! He may shoot me, but he can’t get us all.’ ”Offering a prescription that echoed the National Rifle Association’s view that arming “good guys” is the answer, Mr. Carson also suggested to USA Today that kindergarten instructors should have weapons training. “If the teacher was trained in the use of that weapon and had access to it, I would be much more comfortable if they had one than if they didn’t,” Mr. Carson said.Like many Republican presidential candidates who have sought to express sympathy for victims while maintaining support for gun rights, Mr. Carson has struggled to address the issue with sensitivity. Belief in limited government is central to the Republican Party, and those running for office have found it challenging to offer solutions to an epidemic of violence that do not involve more federal oversight.
“I would not just stand there and let him shoot me,” Mr. Carson, who has been surging in recent polls, said on Fox News. “I would say: ‘Hey, guys, everybody attack him! He may shoot me, but he can’t get us all.’ ”
Pretty much dropped Carson in one fail swoop. Even when I was not as convinced about gun control I would never agree with "No amount of deaths will be as significant as the second amendment being taken away." Which no one is actually suggesting. Holy shit fuck Carson tbh.
Yeah, right. He wouldn't have done shit.Fuck him--that's not something you say after a tragedy like this.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 07, 2015, 10:22:36 AMYeah, right. He wouldn't have done shit.Fuck him--that's not something you say after a tragedy like this.Yeah he should be more like obama and push his agenda less than 5 hours after the shooting!
Quote from: Prime Uta on October 07, 2015, 10:24:00 AMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 07, 2015, 10:21:09 AMPretty much dropped Carson in one fail swoop. Even when I was not as convinced about gun control I would never agree with "No amount of deaths will be as significant as the second amendment being taken away." Which no one is actually suggesting. Holy shit fuck Carson tbh.A GOP Campaign Strategist said something in an MSBNC report earlier today that seems to hit the mark: Carson seems to be able to get away with saying thing nobody else could, but all of these statements and remarks are slowly building up against him. I'm not sure if he will hold out to the primaries at this point.Ugh not even sure who to support at this point. Guesses are none of the other repub candidates would disagree with what he said. I suppose I'll just hold out hope that Gary Johnson will run
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 07, 2015, 10:21:09 AMPretty much dropped Carson in one fail swoop. Even when I was not as convinced about gun control I would never agree with "No amount of deaths will be as significant as the second amendment being taken away." Which no one is actually suggesting. Holy shit fuck Carson tbh.A GOP Campaign Strategist said something in an MSBNC report earlier today that seems to hit the mark: Carson seems to be able to get away with saying thing nobody else could, but all of these statements and remarks are slowly building up against him. I'm not sure if he will hold out to the primaries at this point.
Quote from: Scorch on October 07, 2015, 10:24:03 AMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 07, 2015, 10:22:36 AMYeah, right. He wouldn't have done shit.Fuck him--that's not something you say after a tragedy like this.Yeah he should be more like obama and push his agenda less than 5 hours after the shooting!You're going to have to be more specific about which shooting Obama did this after...
Quote from: Mad Max on October 07, 2015, 10:25:28 AMQuote from: Scorch on October 07, 2015, 10:24:03 AMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 07, 2015, 10:22:36 AMYeah, right. He wouldn't have done shit.Fuck him--that's not something you say after a tragedy like this.Yeah he should be more like obama and push his agenda less than 5 hours after the shooting!You're going to have to be more specific about which shooting Obama did this after...Lol you're still here.
His main statement is that the second amendment shouldn't be taken away and that people should react.I agree, but how he said it....could have been done better
Quote from: Strip Pip on October 07, 2015, 10:42:54 AMHis main statement is that the second amendment shouldn't be taken away and that people should react.I agree, but how he said it....could have been done betterBetter than Jeb who basically said "well, shit happens"
Quote from: Mad Max on October 07, 2015, 10:48:55 AMQuote from: Strip Pip on October 07, 2015, 10:42:54 AMHis main statement is that the second amendment shouldn't be taken away and that people should react.I agree, but how he said it....could have been done betterBetter than Jeb who basically said "well, shit happens"Not really; Jeb was commenting on how the federal government can't always get involved in these kinds of affairs, and that they seem to happen every other day.A horrible way to put it, but still more tactful than "why didn't they all just run at the guy with a gun?"
He's right, sorry not sorry.Although his timing and choice of words is really poor.
Unless you're one of those SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED types where literally any legislation that limits who can buy what firearms and weapons at what times is considered a violation of the second amendment...
Quote from: Prime Uta on October 07, 2015, 10:29:50 AMBush is probably the safest candidate for the nomination. He definitely has a few strong right leanings, but in general he seems more level-headed than the competition.Do people genuinely think this?Nobody is going to vote for Jeb Bush. Like it's not going to happen.Most people who vote in the general election are almost completely uninformed. They're not going to look at his platform, they're going to see the name "Bush" and remember how much everyone hated the last one.Nobody wants another fucking Bush. Even conservatives don't want another fucking Bush.It doesn't even have to do with him being a shitty guy or having shit policy. He's a fucking Bush and America has had enough Bush to last a century.
Bush is probably the safest candidate for the nomination. He definitely has a few strong right leanings, but in general he seems more level-headed than the competition.
Ben Carson's Remarks on Oregon Shooting
