Quote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to America
It's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.
Quote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.
Quote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.
Quote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 01:31:46 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.Do you think all reality works in binaries?Why do you need allies if you don't have enemies?
Quote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.Do you think all reality works in binaries?
Quote from: Luciana on January 19, 2018, 03:55:35 PMallies is people who will actually take up arms and fight besides you.I'm glad you agree with me.
allies is people who will actually take up arms and fight besides you.
Quote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 06:35:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 03:44:08 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 01:31:46 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.Do you think all reality works in binaries?Why do you need allies if you don't have enemies? Because we live in a democracy where things don't get done if the majority is completely indifferent???You're not wrong, but it's just the way you go about discussing it that rubs me the wrong way. Everything is right and left, there's no people just discussing an issue. You're either this or that.But this isn't what this thread is really about. This is about people getting offended for other people. It's dumb and useless.
Quote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 03:44:08 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 01:31:46 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.Do you think all reality works in binaries?Why do you need allies if you don't have enemies? Because we live in a democracy where things don't get done if the majority is completely indifferent???
Quote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 11:01:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 06:40:25 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 06:35:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 03:44:08 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 01:31:46 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.Do you think all reality works in binaries?Why do you need allies if you don't have enemies? Because we live in a democracy where things don't get done if the majority is completely indifferent???You're not wrong, but it's just the way you go about discussing it that rubs me the wrong way. Everything is right and left, there's no people just discussing an issue. You're either this or that.But this isn't what this thread is really about. This is about people getting offended for other people. It's dumb and useless.i never said right or left eitherAgain, you didn't have to. Don't play coy with me.
Quote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 06:40:25 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 06:35:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 03:44:08 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 01:31:46 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.Do you think all reality works in binaries?Why do you need allies if you don't have enemies? Because we live in a democracy where things don't get done if the majority is completely indifferent???You're not wrong, but it's just the way you go about discussing it that rubs me the wrong way. Everything is right and left, there's no people just discussing an issue. You're either this or that.But this isn't what this thread is really about. This is about people getting offended for other people. It's dumb and useless.i never said right or left either
Quote from: eggsalad on January 20, 2018, 03:32:39 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 20, 2018, 02:46:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 11:01:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 06:40:25 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 06:35:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 03:44:08 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 01:31:46 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.Do you think all reality works in binaries?Why do you need allies if you don't have enemies? Because we live in a democracy where things don't get done if the majority is completely indifferent???You're not wrong, but it's just the way you go about discussing it that rubs me the wrong way. Everything is right and left, there's no people just discussing an issue. You're either this or that.But this isn't what this thread is really about. This is about people getting offended for other people. It's dumb and useless.i never said right or left eitherAgain, you didn't have to. Don't play coy with me.if you assume that allyship is a left/right divide then you clearly don't have much experience with people on the left lmaoYou keep making these ridiculous statements and acting incredulous, but you know I'm right. None of the modern day leftists want anything to do with the right, and it's the same with the right's attitude toward the left. You've all lost your minds.
Quote from: challengerX on January 20, 2018, 02:46:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 11:01:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 06:40:25 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 06:35:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 03:44:08 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 19, 2018, 01:31:46 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 19, 2018, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 09:59:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 18, 2018, 06:27:33 PMQuote from: eggsalad on January 18, 2018, 05:23:38 PMIt's just another tactic with the aim of weakening movements. Minorities are just that, minorities, in a democracy they need allies in the majority to make a difference. So what you do when you want to obstruct the goals of minorities is you find ways to separate them from their majority allies. Usually the easier way to do this is to target the majority supporters and put them in a situation where it's harder to be an activist than it is to remain a complacent non-participant. So you accuse those who stand up and be activists of doing so out of bad faith (accuse them of being a white-knight, virtue signaller) and/or you try to convince them that by standing up and being an activist they are in fact hurting minorities. It's entirely possible for an ally to do either of those things, and those things happening can be a legitimate problem for activist movements and minorities, but where some people try to solve the issue and produce better allies, others wish to silence allies and stop the movement as a whole.allies and enemies lmao oh man what happened to AmericaI never said enemy.You didn't need to.Do you think all reality works in binaries?Why do you need allies if you don't have enemies? Because we live in a democracy where things don't get done if the majority is completely indifferent???You're not wrong, but it's just the way you go about discussing it that rubs me the wrong way. Everything is right and left, there's no people just discussing an issue. You're either this or that.But this isn't what this thread is really about. This is about people getting offended for other people. It's dumb and useless.i never said right or left eitherAgain, you didn't have to. Don't play coy with me.if you assume that allyship is a left/right divide then you clearly don't have much experience with people on the left lmao
The nuisance occurs when it happens over too many trivial matters that might not or do not even offend the people or person that the other group is being offended for.
I don't really feel offended for people exactly, I just feel uncomfortable around people who throw around those words anyway regardless of who's present. Some people I was near the other day were joking around about black people and dropped the n-word so I just left, don't want to associate with those types of people. Just doesn't seem right to me.
Quote from: Big Boss™ Remastered on January 23, 2018, 08:18:24 PMI don't really feel offended for people exactly, I just feel uncomfortable around people who throw around those words anyway regardless of who's present. Some people I was near the other day were joking around about black people and dropped the n-word so I just left, don't want to associate with those types of people. Just doesn't seem right to me.lol, I heard 'nigger' probably last time in the 90s as no one cares about people from different backgrounds.