Assume it's 2012, and Mitt Romney is not the Republican candidate

More Than Mortal · August 09, 2014, 04:45:44 PM

Ron Paul is.

Disallowing for the past two years - and the possible disappointment with Obama during that time - would you have voted for Ron Paul over Obama?

Or, would you have stuck with Obama?

For those of you who would've supported Romney over Obama, do you think Ron Paul would've made a better candidate regardless?

Reciffo_Smmoc · August 09, 2014, 04:47:34 PM

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More Than Mortal · August 09, 2014, 04:53:43 PM

Quote from: Weed Commando on August 09, 2014, 04:47:34 PM

Well, since Ron Paul isn't a corporate puppet unlike Romney, there's no way he would win from lack of funds for his campaign. And even if, I was only 17 during the 2012 elections, so I wouldn't be able to vote.

Come on Comms, I'm sure you're intelligent enough to comply with a thought experiment.

Just assume the premise is correct.

Magos Domina · August 09, 2014, 05:19:49 PM

Not American, plus I don't like his stance on healthcare.

Reciffo_Smmoc · August 09, 2014, 05:27:03 PM

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Juuzou · August 09, 2014, 05:27:48 PM

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cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 09, 2014, 05:32:53 PM

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Sprungli · August 09, 2014, 07:34:15 PM

Gotta love how any one of the British candidates, even John from the Booze, Buns and Baccy party (I shit you not) would do better than any US reality TV presenter (Obama/Romney/Paul/etc...)

Kinder Graham · August 09, 2014, 07:56:30 PM

Hell yeah Paul would have won

big sponge · August 09, 2014, 08:52:38 PM

No, the few good things Ron Paul is for are massively out weighed by the rest if his platform.

Mad Max · August 09, 2014, 09:55:23 PM

I can't bring myself to vote for someone who believes in creationism.

More Than Mortal · August 09, 2014, 10:10:55 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on August 09, 2014, 09:55:23 PM

I can't bring myself to vote for someone who believes in creationism.

That's like the one thing I genuinely hate about the guy.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · August 09, 2014, 10:13:16 PM

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cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 09, 2014, 10:14:34 PM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · August 09, 2014, 10:16:29 PM

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More Than Mortal · August 09, 2014, 10:20:40 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 09, 2014, 10:14:34 PM

More importantly how do we feel about Ron Paul Jr.?

Rand Paul is a tool.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 09, 2014, 10:23:02 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · August 09, 2014, 11:08:55 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 09, 2014, 10:23:02 PM

If I was Ron I would be fucking disappointed.

He's publicly expressed disappointment on Rand's stance on Snowden. That's about it, if I can remember.

Korra · August 09, 2014, 11:13:42 PM

Cthulhu fhtang!

Mad Max · August 09, 2014, 11:17:44 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on August 09, 2014, 10:10:55 PM

That's like the one thing I genuinely hate about the guy.

Doesn't he also want to get rid of the EPA and such?

Sorry, I have zero faith that businesses won't pollute the air and water if left to their own devices.

big sponge · August 10, 2014, 12:47:19 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on August 09, 2014, 11:17:44 PM

Doesn't he also want to get rid of the EPA and such?

Sorry, I have zero faith that businesses won't pollute the air and water if left to their own devices.

IIRC he's also isolationist, wants to put us on the gold standard, and wants to get rid of the federal reserve (which is good, but you have to replace it with something. Preferably a centralized public banking institution instead of the private banking circle jerk that currently controls it. Private bankers should not print and be control of the public money).

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 10, 2014, 12:49:20 AM

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big sponge · August 10, 2014, 01:07:29 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 10, 2014, 12:49:20 AM

He wants to cut any government organization that isn't directly outlined in the constitution. So basically every government organization would be cut.

Dude, that's a disaster waiting to happen. There are a lot and I mean a lot of organizations that you probably aren't even aware of that are responsible for the well being of your everyday life. The constitution was meant to be a breathing document, and going to a strict interpretation of it would be absolutely awful and the founding fathers knew this.

Besides if we were to go full strict interpretation (which nobody ever wants to really do because they love it when their favorite areas are liberally interpreted) corporations wouldn't be citizens and only people in a militia would have gun rights.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · August 10, 2014, 01:08:29 AM

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Dustin · August 10, 2014, 08:09:33 AM

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More Than Mortal · August 10, 2014, 08:32:28 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on August 09, 2014, 11:17:44 PM

Doesn't he also want to get rid of the EPA and such?

Sorry, I have zero faith that businesses won't pollute the air and water if left to their own devices.

The EPA is useless.

As I understand it Paul wanted to combat pollution on a tort law basis, considering it is an externality. Which would entail a carbon tax - the thing economists have been screaming about for ages.

More Than Mortal · August 10, 2014, 08:33:52 AM

Quote from: Lord Commissar on August 10, 2014, 01:07:29 AM

Dude, that's a disaster waiting to happen. There are a lot and I mean a lot of organizations that you probably aren't even aware of that are responsible for the well being of your everyday life. The constitution was meant to be a breathing document, and going to a strict interpretation of it would be absolutely awful and the founding fathers knew this.

Besides if we were to go full strict interpretation (which nobody ever wants to really do because they love it when their favorite areas are liberally interpreted) corporations wouldn't be citizens and only people in a militia would have gun rights.

The Constitution only severely limits Federal power. Paul was quite a big proponent of State's rights.

As for institutions which supposedly help Americans, like the FDA, most of them don't.

Dustin · August 10, 2014, 09:52:50 AM

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More Than Mortal · August 10, 2014, 10:00:27 AM

Quote from: Le Dustin on August 10, 2014, 09:52:50 AM

Actually the EPA is the legal punisher and pursuer of those that do not meet the legal standards for pollution control.

I don't know what went through your mind to convince you that merely stating its intended function would sway me from thinking it was useless.

Even if it did do its job properly, a carbon tax would be a far better alternative. I don't know what it is with the green crowd who think the solution to environmental problems have to be utterly and fundamentally behaviour-changing.

Dustin · August 10, 2014, 10:14:52 AM

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