If you truly believe humanity needs to cease, why haven't you killed yourself yet?
I'm sleep-posting at the moment, so I'll just leave my question and return to this thread when I get back home on saturday <.<I always find it interesting because the basic concept is so alien, but that aside - What brought you to this stance? A detailed path would be appreciated, I obviously won't be able to read it right away but I'll be looking forwards to reading it as soon as possible >.>How did you end up as an Anti-Natalist?
So, I ask, why such a self defeating belief? Why put an end to things through the starvation of the gene pool and reduction of generations?
Quote from: Solonoid on September 11, 2014, 11:40:40 PMIf you truly believe humanity needs to cease, why haven't you killed yourself yet?1. Because that wouldn't solve the problem at all. Apart from that idea being cunt-tarded on every level, it also doesn't make any sense. Most people don't know that giving birth is wrong. It would be entirely counterintuitive to my ideals if I were to kill myself. You don't end slavery by committing suicide while under servitude. If I'm going to be an advocate for my philosophy, I have to stay the fuck alive.2. I've developed these things called "friends" during my time on this rock. Perhaps if you had any, you'd be able to sympathize, but killing myself would result in severe emotional trauma for not only these friends that I've made, but my family as well. I have no intention on putting that emotional burden on them.3. Everything I have accomplished in my life will have been for naught, as well as everything else I also strive for. I have selfish desires, too. I want to have a little bit of a legacy here, as futile as that really is. I still want it, because I'm a human. Killing myself would be fruitless and it would do no good.4. Even if I wanted to, I don't have the legal right. Nowhere in the world does there exist a country that gives you the right to die. I want to be able to walk into a clinic and ask to be put down, or ask for bye-bye pills. Simple. Quick. Easy. Painless. Peaceful. Free. Infallible. Perfect. I don't want to have to resort to inhumane, botch-able methods, and I frankly shouldn't even have to. No one should.It's ironic how "edgy" is the most commonly tacked-on label I'm given by all of these natalists out there, because they think I'm trying to be dark and out there. Edgy.Telling someone to kill themselves, though?Telling someone that they should commit suicide because they wouldn't be missed anyway?That's not edgy at all.You're a fucking cunt.
Quote from: Sandtrap on September 11, 2014, 11:53:25 PMSo, I ask, why such a self defeating belief? Why put an end to things through the starvation of the gene pool and reduction of generations?I really don't understand what's so "self-defeating" about it. That implies that the game we are playing 1.) can be won, and 2.) is worth winning.So we all die. Who gives a fuck? The Earth wouldn't. The animals definitely wouldn't. The universe sure as fuck wouldn't. Do you sit and cry your eyes out every day over the fact that there aren't any Martians or Venusians? I don't think you do. Our death isn't a bad thing. It's dying that sucks. And that's all you're afraid of.
Not so. Death is an end. But it's not THE end. Look at everything around you. The universe has proven time and again, that everything is a cycle. I don't believe the consciousness that is housed in our bodies is ever truly lost. Death is a physical end. But are we truly lost?
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Quote from: Sandtrap on September 12, 2014, 12:11:08 AMNot so. Death is an end. But it's not THE end. Look at everything around you. The universe has proven time and again, that everything is a cycle. I don't believe the consciousness that is housed in our bodies is ever truly lost. Death is a physical end. But are we truly lost?...Yes. You have no evidence. Just speculative mumbo-jumbo crap. No sale.
I'm not reading that.
Quote from: Verbatim on September 12, 2014, 01:02:10 AMI'm not reading that.Lazy.
Quote from: Gatsby on September 12, 2014, 04:21:28 AMAnti natalit ideology is retarded, yeah people around the world are suffering and it's sad but how do you expect most of us that live in first world countries to agree with you? Other than a few things our lives are generally good and if not we have the opportunity to change it whereas those in less developed countries don't. I agree with challenger, we will progress to the point where human suffering is at minimum it will just take time. Killing ourselves off now isn't going to help anyone but the few that are currently living in hardship, and I'm pretty sure the number of people around the world that appreciate and enjoy life greatly outweighs the number of people who don't. So while eradicating the human race may be fair to those in suffering it's not fair to those that are happy.He isn't interested in fairness. He's just a bitter and lonely individual in denial. I'd pity him if he weren't so fucking disgusting.
Anti natalit ideology is retarded, yeah people around the world are suffering and it's sad but how do you expect most of us that live in first world countries to agree with you? Other than a few things our lives are generally good and if not we have the opportunity to change it whereas those in less developed countries don't. I agree with challenger, we will progress to the point where human suffering is at minimum it will just take time. Killing ourselves off now isn't going to help anyone but the few that are currently living in hardship, and I'm pretty sure the number of people around the world that appreciate and enjoy life greatly outweighs the number of people who don't. So while eradicating the human race may be fair to those in suffering it's not fair to those that are happy.
Why do you equate human existence with suffering? There's suffering in life, of course. But there's happiness, fun, and fulfillment as well. If you had the choice, would you want to never have been born?
Is anti-natalism a type of nihilism?
It's not a matter of how little you suffer—I'm saying even there's one organism on this planet who stubs his toe, I'm saying that is also a travesty that should also dealt with. The fact is, he didn't ask for that stubbed toe, and he didn't ask to be in a world where his toe could get stubbed. And getting his to stubbed implies that much worse things could happen to him, but there can be no better thing that happens to him than, say, being in love with someone. Which some would argue is actually a negative thing.I ended up meeting this... absolutely wonderful family. A sweet old woman and her husband, who can't speak English very well, and their daughter, whom I met last? One of the most beautiful and understanding and fun people I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. She taught me so much, not only about her state in Germany, but also about myself. I thought I was in love, if only I believed in that sort of thing. It had been a genuine experience, not one contrived like the times I saw the Colosseum in Rome and the Eiffel Tower in Paris. They paled in comparison to how I felt when I saw this girl for the first time, and all the stuff we did together. Having to say goodbye was one of the most difficult things to deal with in my life.That said, let me reiterate your question. Do I wish I was never born?I wish I was born in a world where moments like that are not only commonplace, but constant. Somewhere so peaceful and sublime, nothing could possibly get hurt, nothing could possibly be sad or angry.This is not the world I was born in.
Now then! This is what I wanted to hear. You and me are very much familiar in some regards, except that we exist on the opposite end of the spectrum. Now, before we start anything, I'd like to link you over on to something. And you're going to read it because 3 days ago, the weight of what sits on my shoulders snapped. And, at this moment, I am still very much so struggling not to be drowned out by all that I currently look at. You're going to read it, and understand that three days ago, I broke. I shattered into bits. And I took one of those pieces, and wrote that. When you're done, come back and listen to what I have to say.http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=3233.msg75648#msg75648