Are you a threat to the government?

More Than Mortal · January 26, 2015, 04:09:31 PM

Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:08:09 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 03:54:20 PM
i can't have 5 discussions at once
I can.

We aren't going to go easy on you because you can't handle it. That isn't how debates work, and you should be ready and willing to properly defend the ideas and values you espouse, especially when they're so radical and ahistorical.

i'm not trying to defend anything, i haven't given my personal view on a better alternative yet anyway, all i'm saying is that the current system is way to harsh to be sustained for as long as we want it

>isn't trying to defend anything
>puts forward a viewpoint

Yeah, buddy, you aren't defending a fucking thing at the moment.

DisturbedMind883 · January 26, 2015, 04:11:53 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 04:09:31 PM

Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 03:54:20 PM
i can't have 5 discussions at once
I can.

We aren't going to go easy on you because you can't handle it. That isn't how debates work, and you should be ready and willing to properly defend the ideas and values you espouse, especially when they're so radical and ahistorical.

i'm not trying to defend anything, i haven't given my personal view on a better alternative yet anyway, all i'm saying is that the current system is way to harsh to be sustained for as long as we want it
>isn't trying to defend anything
>puts forward a viewpoint

Yeah, buddy, you aren't defending a fucking thing at the moment.

alright look, i'l discuss this with you at a later time, without having 3 people gang up on me here. i'm talking to 2 many people and it's getting me confused

More Than Mortal · January 26, 2015, 04:13:54 PM

Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:11:53 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 03:54:20 PM
i can't have 5 discussions at once
I can.

We aren't going to go easy on you because you can't handle it. That isn't how debates work, and you should be ready and willing to properly defend the ideas and values you espouse, especially when they're so radical and ahistorical.

i'm not trying to defend anything, i haven't given my personal view on a better alternative yet anyway, all i'm saying is that the current system is way to harsh to be sustained for as long as we want it
>isn't trying to defend anything
>puts forward a viewpoint

Yeah, buddy, you aren't defending a fucking thing at the moment.

alright look, i'l discuss this with you at a later time, without having 3 people gang up on me here. i'm talking to 2 many people and it's getting me confused

Or you could just talk to me and ignore Dustin and Joceph.

It really, really isn't difficult.

I'm still waiting for you to present any rationality or evidence for your case.

DisturbedMind883 · January 26, 2015, 04:17:48 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 04:13:54 PM

Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:11:53 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 03:54:20 PM
i can't have 5 discussions at once
I can.

We aren't going to go easy on you because you can't handle it. That isn't how debates work, and you should be ready and willing to properly defend the ideas and values you espouse, especially when they're so radical and ahistorical.

i'm not trying to defend anything, i haven't given my personal view on a better alternative yet anyway, all i'm saying is that the current system is way to harsh to be sustained for as long as we want it
>isn't trying to defend anything
>puts forward a viewpoint

Yeah, buddy, you aren't defending a fucking thing at the moment.

alright look, i'l discuss this with you at a later time, without having 3 people gang up on me here. i'm talking to 2 many people and it's getting me confused
Or you could just talk to me and ignore Dustin and Joceph.

It really, really isn't difficult.

I'm still waiting for you to present any rationality or evidence for your case.

I will just not now, i have to study i'll wait till things cool off a bit

Dustin · January 26, 2015, 04:22:38 PM

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More Than Mortal · January 26, 2015, 04:22:43 PM

Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:17:48 PM

I will just not now

I didn't want to say this, but I think you're really quite ignorant here.

And I'm sorry, I don't mean that to be offensive, I'm not trying to hurt you. But I literally think you lack a capacity to properly grasp what you're talking about. And that, of course, is okay. I don't know much about mathematics, physics, chemistry, philology, engineering and a whole host of other stuff.

But I do know about politics, economics, philosophy and history. It's quite clear, however, that you don't. In such cases, it's best to admit one's ignorance and ask questions in order to learn. Not make defend an untenable position and make up excuses to postpone responsibility.

More Than Mortal · January 26, 2015, 04:25:09 PM

Quote from: Dustin' on January 26, 2015, 04:22:38 PM

Capitalism relies off the idea that people want to succeed. Well socialism isn't any different. People within a socialist economy will behave as they need to (rather than slacking off as capitalists claim) because they know that if they don't, the economy will come crashing down.

The idea behind capitalism, and more fundamentally the market, isn't just that people will want to succeed. It's that those who have the capacity to succeed ought to be incentives and rewarded in such a way as to promote an economy which isn't a zero-sum game.

I've never seen a socialist conception of the economy which is structured in such a way as to offer and provide what capitalism offers and provides.

Dustin · January 26, 2015, 04:36:38 PM

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Spook · January 27, 2015, 01:49:50 AM

Quote from: Dustin' on January 26, 2015, 04:06:45 PM

Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:04:51 PM
i'm not some case study, i really don't care if you think i'm fake anyway. i'm just trying to have a discussion
I've been doing this shit for five years, I can tell when someone is playing a character with the sole intention of trying to influence other people.

Can you tell if I am playing a character?

Also if you can read that then they either are poor at it or you should look into MOS 35M.

Dustin · January 27, 2015, 02:04:18 AM

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Spook · January 27, 2015, 03:52:06 AM

Quote from: Dustin' on January 27, 2015, 02:04:18 AM

Quote from: Spook on January 27, 2015, 01:49:50 AM
Quote from: Dustin' on January 26, 2015, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:04:51 PM
i'm not some case study, i really don't care if you think i'm fake anyway. i'm just trying to have a discussion
I've been doing this shit for five years, I can tell when someone is playing a character with the sole intention of trying to influence other people.

Can you tell if I am playing a character?

Also if you can read that then they either are poor at it or you should look into MOS 35M.
I assume you must be to some degree otherwise you wouldn't have asked. But I'm really just basing my assumptions off the effect his posts have on the unsuspecting reader (or maybe it's more of a subconscious thing, who really knows), and examining the likelihoods of the possibilities. I wouldn't say I'm an expert at reading people, this situation is different because I've been playing this same game for many years where I pretend to be a political ideology I don't like and I make myself an extremely unlikable and unintelligent person.

MOS 35M seems pretty interesting. I do plan on joining the military after college, but as a chemical engineer. It's something to keep in mind though.

We work a bit different here in Australia. One doesn't just walk into a role like that. But they operate in the same basic principle.

If I ever moved back to the US I would take that role. However my wife wouldn't want to move to the US not would she let me continue down that path any more than I have.

Chemical engineer would be good. But there are bigger $'s to be made in that field outside of DoD. Military lays pretty crap in the US.

challengerX · January 27, 2015, 05:54:05 AM

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DAS B00T x2 · January 27, 2015, 09:06:12 AM

Quote from: challengerX on January 27, 2015, 05:54:05 AM

Quote from: Spook on January 27, 2015, 03:52:06 AM
Quote from: Dustin' on January 27, 2015, 02:04:18 AM
Quote from: Spook on January 27, 2015, 01:49:50 AM
Quote from: Dustin' on January 26, 2015, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:04:51 PM
i'm not some case study, i really don't care if you think i'm fake anyway. i'm just trying to have a discussion
I've been doing this shit for five years, I can tell when someone is playing a character with the sole intention of trying to influence other people.

Can you tell if I am playing a character?

Also if you can read that then they either are poor at it or you should look into MOS 35M.
I assume you must be to some degree otherwise you wouldn't have asked. But I'm really just basing my assumptions off the effect his posts have on the unsuspecting reader (or maybe it's more of a subconscious thing, who really knows), and examining the likelihoods of the possibilities. I wouldn't say I'm an expert at reading people, this situation is different because I've been playing this same game for many years where I pretend to be a political ideology I don't like and I make myself an extremely unlikable and unintelligent person.

MOS 35M seems pretty interesting. I do plan on joining the military after college, but as a chemical engineer. It's something to keep in mind though.

We work a bit different here in Australia. One doesn't just walk into a role like that. But they operate in the same basic principle.

If I ever moved back to the US I would take that role. However my wife wouldn't want to move to the US not would she let me continue down that path any more than I have.

Chemical engineer would be good. But there are bigger $'s to be made in that field outside of DoD. Military lays pretty crap in the US.
Joining the military to make money is about as stupid as it gets.

Officer pay, mang. Since Dustin is gonna have a four year degree, I'd hope he's smart enough to realize that.

Dustin · January 27, 2015, 09:49:06 AM

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Verbatim · January 27, 2015, 11:44:42 AM

Anti-natalism makes me a threat to humanity in the eyes of the ignorant.

DAS B00T x2 · January 27, 2015, 12:11:15 PM

Quote from: Dustin' on January 27, 2015, 09:49:06 AM

Quote from: xXiTz DaS b00tXx [orz] on January 27, 2015, 09:06:12 AM
Quote from: challengerX on January 27, 2015, 05:54:05 AM
Joining the military to make money is about as stupid as it gets.
Officer pay, mang. Since Dustin is gonna have a four year degree, I'd hope he's smart enough to realize that.
Engineers can make $60k straight out of college and up to six figures once you get five years experience. No idea if you mean to say that officer pay is really good, but I definitely don't intend on joining the military for money.

Not six figures, mind you, but the benefits quickly add up.

cuneif · January 27, 2015, 04:09:03 PM

Jester · January 27, 2015, 06:44:05 PM

Depends on the Government

Dustin · January 27, 2015, 06:45:49 PM

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Jester · January 27, 2015, 06:46:49 PM

Quote from: Dustin' on January 27, 2015, 06:45:49 PM

Quote from: Jester on January 27, 2015, 06:44:05 PM
Depends on the Government
The national government you live under

Then no.

Spook · January 27, 2015, 09:17:47 PM

Quote from: challengerX on January 27, 2015, 05:54:05 AM

Quote from: Spook on January 27, 2015, 03:52:06 AM
Quote from: Dustin' on January 27, 2015, 02:04:18 AM
Quote from: Spook on January 27, 2015, 01:49:50 AM
Quote from: Dustin' on January 26, 2015, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on January 26, 2015, 04:04:51 PM
i'm not some case study, i really don't care if you think i'm fake anyway. i'm just trying to have a discussion
I've been doing this shit for five years, I can tell when someone is playing a character with the sole intention of trying to influence other people.

Can you tell if I am playing a character?

Also if you can read that then they either are poor at it or you should look into MOS 35M.
I assume you must be to some degree otherwise you wouldn't have asked. But I'm really just basing my assumptions off the effect his posts have on the unsuspecting reader (or maybe it's more of a subconscious thing, who really knows), and examining the likelihoods of the possibilities. I wouldn't say I'm an expert at reading people, this situation is different because I've been playing this same game for many years where I pretend to be a political ideology I don't like and I make myself an extremely unlikable and unintelligent person.

MOS 35M seems pretty interesting. I do plan on joining the military after college, but as a chemical engineer. It's something to keep in mind though.

We work a bit different here in Australia. One doesn't just walk into a role like that. But they operate in the same basic principle.

If I ever moved back to the US I would take that role. However my wife wouldn't want to move to the US not would she let me continue down that path any more than I have.

Chemical engineer would be good. But there are bigger $'s to be made in that field outside of DoD. Military lays pretty crap in the US.
Joining the military to make money is about as stupid as it gets.

8 month in Afghanistan equated to AU$91,000 tax free.

After 91 days we get tax free money on deployment.

We also get field pay, separation allowance and 2 weeks leave after 3 months on full pay with entitlements.

In Iraq we were told we would charged if we discussed pay with US members because US get paid dirt.

The money is there to be made, and if you invest it the right way you will be very well off when you get out.

Mad Max · January 28, 2015, 10:18:05 AM

In theory, all citizens should be a threat to the government.

Epsira · February 02, 2015, 04:38:54 AM

Not a chance in the 9th circle.
If I was a hacker...
Probably not. The things I'm interested in obtaining don't correlate to the government directly.

Another question that could be asked here is if you had the resources and skills, would you be a government threat?
The answer is still probably no.