Absolutely. Unless she is severely mentally retarded, she is morally responsible. Her state of mind means jack shit when she has the circumstantial freedom to make the proper decision. Humans are condemned to freedom. She is responsible for every single one of her actions. I have zero sympathy for the depressed and mentally ill.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 10:47:06 PMQuote from: Not a Dustbin on September 22, 2014, 10:36:37 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 10:31:48 AMQuote from: Not a Dustbin on September 22, 2014, 05:48:06 AMSpoilerNow where does this belong hmm?I think you're taking an obvious joke too seriously.An obvious joke gets a joke reply.What part of 'Into the trash it goes' are you mistaking for a serious reply?You have no idea how much it hurts when people say that Dustbin posts belong in the dustbin.
Quote from: Not a Dustbin on September 22, 2014, 10:36:37 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 10:31:48 AMQuote from: Not a Dustbin on September 22, 2014, 05:48:06 AMSpoilerNow where does this belong hmm?I think you're taking an obvious joke too seriously.An obvious joke gets a joke reply.What part of 'Into the trash it goes' are you mistaking for a serious reply?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 10:31:48 AMQuote from: Not a Dustbin on September 22, 2014, 05:48:06 AMSpoilerNow where does this belong hmm?I think you're taking an obvious joke too seriously.
Quote from: Not a Dustbin on September 22, 2014, 05:48:06 AMSpoilerNow where does this belong hmm?
Quote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 01:25:00 PMQuote from: IcyWind on September 22, 2014, 01:09:42 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 11:17:11 AMYep.Whats stopping me from killing multiple people and then claiming I'm "not in my right mind"?Because you would be required to undergo multiple psychiatric tests from numerous officials.Google exists. I could easily look up how to accomplish the signs and symptoms. Anything mental can easily be faked.lol
Quote from: IcyWind on September 22, 2014, 01:09:42 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 11:17:11 AMYep.Whats stopping me from killing multiple people and then claiming I'm "not in my right mind"?Because you would be required to undergo multiple psychiatric tests from numerous officials.Google exists. I could easily look up how to accomplish the signs and symptoms. Anything mental can easily be faked.
Quote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 11:17:11 AMYep.Whats stopping me from killing multiple people and then claiming I'm "not in my right mind"?Because you would be required to undergo multiple psychiatric tests from numerous officials.
Yep.Whats stopping me from killing multiple people and then claiming I'm "not in my right mind"?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 01:43:50 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 01:25:00 PMQuote from: IcyWind on September 22, 2014, 01:09:42 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 11:17:11 AMYep.Whats stopping me from killing multiple people and then claiming I'm "not in my right mind"?Because you would be required to undergo multiple psychiatric tests from numerous officials.Google exists. I could easily look up how to accomplish the signs and symptoms. Anything mental can easily be faked.lolTo be fair, it has been done before.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on September 24, 2014, 05:52:22 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 01:43:50 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 01:25:00 PMQuote from: IcyWind on September 22, 2014, 01:09:42 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 11:17:11 AMYep.Whats stopping me from killing multiple people and then claiming I'm "not in my right mind"?Because you would be required to undergo multiple psychiatric tests from numerous officials.Google exists. I could easily look up how to accomplish the signs and symptoms. Anything mental can easily be faked.lolTo be fair, it has been done before.Sauce?I'm not saying it hasn't, but any sauce to go with that post? >.>
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 24, 2014, 06:03:51 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on September 24, 2014, 05:52:22 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 01:43:50 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 01:25:00 PMQuote from: IcyWind on September 22, 2014, 01:09:42 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 11:17:11 AMYep.Whats stopping me from killing multiple people and then claiming I'm "not in my right mind"?Because you would be required to undergo multiple psychiatric tests from numerous officials.Google exists. I could easily look up how to accomplish the signs and symptoms. Anything mental can easily be faked.lolTo be fair, it has been done before.Sauce?I'm not saying it hasn't, but any sauce to go with that post? >.>The dude who got a bunch of other people with him to trick hospitals/mental institutions into thinking they were Schiznophrenic. It's not the exact same scenario, but institutions have been, relatively easily, deceived on the subject before. By no means should it be considered unimaginable.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on September 24, 2014, 06:12:31 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 24, 2014, 06:03:51 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on September 24, 2014, 05:52:22 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 22, 2014, 01:43:50 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 01:25:00 PMQuote from: IcyWind on September 22, 2014, 01:09:42 PMQuote from: PSU on September 22, 2014, 11:17:11 AMYep.Whats stopping me from killing multiple people and then claiming I'm "not in my right mind"?Because you would be required to undergo multiple psychiatric tests from numerous officials.Google exists. I could easily look up how to accomplish the signs and symptoms. Anything mental can easily be faked.lolTo be fair, it has been done before.Sauce?I'm not saying it hasn't, but any sauce to go with that post? >.>The dude who got a bunch of other people with him to trick hospitals/mental institutions into thinking they were Schiznophrenic. It's not the exact same scenario, but institutions have been, relatively easily, deceived on the subject before. By no means should it be considered unimaginable.Ah yes, I actually remember that one <.<I suppose that's a fair enough point then.
Of course they are.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 02:08:38 AMOf course they are.YouTubeIs that your final answer?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 06:37:04 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 02:08:38 AMOf course they are.YouTubeIs that your final answer?*walks in holding bags of groceries*.......why is there a game show in my house?SpoilerThey make choices like everyone else. DUH they are responsible!
In case three, the person was bored and wanted to see what it would be like to kill someone.3 - Chances are that this person is a Psychopath*, I'll come back to this one in a moment.EDIT: Whoops forgot the psychopath bit. I'll do that in a separate comment.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 09:59:18 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 06:37:04 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 02:08:38 AMOf course they are.YouTubeIs that your final answer?*walks in holding bags of groceries*.......why is there a game show in my house?SpoilerThey make choices like everyone else. DUH they are responsible!Good shrek have mercy.Alrighty, well let's do this properly rather than with rustling and le raeg feces.Do you know/understand the concept of Compos Mentis?Basically being of sound mind, I might not be using it 100% correctly in a legal sense but the term and the meaning is the point here. Being in control of your mental faculties, i.e not having your mind warped and twisted into thinking something abnormal.I'll give a few examples.A seemingly normal person living their life, suddenly decides to kill someone. Are they morally responsible for their actions? Well, first you have to figure out why they did it.In case one, the person does it to cover up a secret that they don't want revealing.In case two, the person has been hearing voices, hallucinating and has been convinced that the person they just killed was out to get them.In case three, the person was bored and wanted to see what it would be like to kill someone.1 - Morally responsible, guilty and is a piece of shit.2 - Likely to be suffering from Acute Schizophrenia, this removes the choice from their actions as they are not made under proper circumstances but under a warped and flawed set of thinking borne of intensive fear.3 - Chances are that this person is a Psychopath*, I'll come back to this one in a moment.The reason the Schizophrenic is not morally responsible or fully legally responsible is because their mind is not right. They are ill and instead of receiving the treatment they needed, they slipped under the radar and ended up killing someone.Do you blame a cancer patient for dying of cancer? Are they morally responsible for the tumour?Of course they aren't, they can't help it if they are genetically predisposed to such a condition/ailment. The same applies to many people with severe mental illness, they don't choose to go crazy and kill someone - Their mental imbalances are out of their control and to assign moral responsibility and thus guilt to them for their subsequent actions is just downright wrong.By no means is what they did alright, but it isn't their fault that they are ill. So instead of punishment for their 'crime' they will end up sectioned to a psychiatric hospital until they it is determined that they are no longer a threat to the public or themselves.The tl;dr is that you cannot blame people for circumstances that are out of their control, mental illness falls under this category.That being said, severity plays into this. Someone with an eating disorder murdering someone over 'normal' circumstances doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. The situation plays a very important role in determining responsibility.But as a rule of thumb, Mentally ill people are not morally responsible for their actions as they are not in direct control of what they do.EDIT: Whoops forgot the psychopath bit. I'll do that in a separate comment.
You took me serious and typed all that?YOU FELL FOR MY TRAP CARD!
'Of course they are.'
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 12:05:52 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 11:56:17 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 09:59:18 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 06:37:04 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 02:08:38 AMOf course they are.YouTubeIs that your final answer?*walks in holding bags of groceries*.......why is there a game show in my house?SpoilerThey make choices like everyone else. DUH they are responsible!Good shrek have mercy.Alrighty, well let's do this properly rather than with rustling and le raeg feces.Do you know/understand the concept of Compos Mentis?Basically being of sound mind, I might not be using it 100% correctly in a legal sense but the term and the meaning is the point here. Being in control of your mental faculties, i.e not having your mind warped and twisted into thinking something abnormal.I'll give a few examples.A seemingly normal person living their life, suddenly decides to kill someone. Are they morally responsible for their actions? Well, first you have to figure out why they did it.In case one, the person does it to cover up a secret that they don't want revealing.In case two, the person has been hearing voices, hallucinating and has been convinced that the person they just killed was out to get them.In case three, the person was bored and wanted to see what it would be like to kill someone.1 - Morally responsible, guilty and is a piece of shit.2 - Likely to be suffering from Acute Schizophrenia, this removes the choice from their actions as they are not made under proper circumstances but under a warped and flawed set of thinking borne of intensive fear.3 - Chances are that this person is a Psychopath*, I'll come back to this one in a moment.The reason the Schizophrenic is not morally responsible or fully legally responsible is because their mind is not right. They are ill and instead of receiving the treatment they needed, they slipped under the radar and ended up killing someone.Do you blame a cancer patient for dying of cancer? Are they morally responsible for the tumour?Of course they aren't, they can't help it if they are genetically predisposed to such a condition/ailment. The same applies to many people with severe mental illness, they don't choose to go crazy and kill someone - Their mental imbalances are out of their control and to assign moral responsibility and thus guilt to them for their subsequent actions is just downright wrong.By no means is what they did alright, but it isn't their fault that they are ill. So instead of punishment for their 'crime' they will end up sectioned to a psychiatric hospital until they it is determined that they are no longer a threat to the public or themselves.The tl;dr is that you cannot blame people for circumstances that are out of their control, mental illness falls under this category.That being said, severity plays into this. Someone with an eating disorder murdering someone over 'normal' circumstances doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. The situation plays a very important role in determining responsibility.But as a rule of thumb, Mentally ill people are not morally responsible for their actions as they are not in direct control of what they do.EDIT: Whoops forgot the psychopath bit. I'll do that in a separate comment.You took me serious and typed all that?YOU FELL FOR MY TRAP CARD!He didn't fall for anything. He showed you how wrong you were, you understood, and to save face you're acting you weren't serious the whole time. Why people insist on being so prideful instead of just saying "I see, I guess I was wrong.", I have no idea. Especially when he wasn't being rude.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 11:56:17 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 09:59:18 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 06:37:04 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 02:08:38 AMOf course they are.YouTubeIs that your final answer?*walks in holding bags of groceries*.......why is there a game show in my house?SpoilerThey make choices like everyone else. DUH they are responsible!Good shrek have mercy.Alrighty, well let's do this properly rather than with rustling and le raeg feces.Do you know/understand the concept of Compos Mentis?Basically being of sound mind, I might not be using it 100% correctly in a legal sense but the term and the meaning is the point here. Being in control of your mental faculties, i.e not having your mind warped and twisted into thinking something abnormal.I'll give a few examples.A seemingly normal person living their life, suddenly decides to kill someone. Are they morally responsible for their actions? Well, first you have to figure out why they did it.In case one, the person does it to cover up a secret that they don't want revealing.In case two, the person has been hearing voices, hallucinating and has been convinced that the person they just killed was out to get them.In case three, the person was bored and wanted to see what it would be like to kill someone.1 - Morally responsible, guilty and is a piece of shit.2 - Likely to be suffering from Acute Schizophrenia, this removes the choice from their actions as they are not made under proper circumstances but under a warped and flawed set of thinking borne of intensive fear.3 - Chances are that this person is a Psychopath*, I'll come back to this one in a moment.The reason the Schizophrenic is not morally responsible or fully legally responsible is because their mind is not right. They are ill and instead of receiving the treatment they needed, they slipped under the radar and ended up killing someone.Do you blame a cancer patient for dying of cancer? Are they morally responsible for the tumour?Of course they aren't, they can't help it if they are genetically predisposed to such a condition/ailment. The same applies to many people with severe mental illness, they don't choose to go crazy and kill someone - Their mental imbalances are out of their control and to assign moral responsibility and thus guilt to them for their subsequent actions is just downright wrong.By no means is what they did alright, but it isn't their fault that they are ill. So instead of punishment for their 'crime' they will end up sectioned to a psychiatric hospital until they it is determined that they are no longer a threat to the public or themselves.The tl;dr is that you cannot blame people for circumstances that are out of their control, mental illness falls under this category.That being said, severity plays into this. Someone with an eating disorder murdering someone over 'normal' circumstances doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. The situation plays a very important role in determining responsibility.But as a rule of thumb, Mentally ill people are not morally responsible for their actions as they are not in direct control of what they do.EDIT: Whoops forgot the psychopath bit. I'll do that in a separate comment.You took me serious and typed all that?YOU FELL FOR MY TRAP CARD!
Then it seems I fooled you as well
Why people insist on being so prideful instead of just saying "I see, I guess I was wrong.", I have no idea. Especially when he wasn't being rude.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 12:34:14 PMThen it seems I fooled you as wellWell, no, you didn't fool anybody regardless of whether you were serious. Making an unambiguous, emotionally-devoid statement like, for instance, "of course they are" doesn't leave any avenue for figuring it out. Me parodying Verbatim and Deci taking it seriously? Fooled. You making a very straight and blank statement? Not fooling anybody by any measure. It's just silly.
The OP basically knocked the answer pretty solid. So anyone blatantly disagreeing with it, obviously isn't serious.The fact that Challenger is so pissy over such a casual attempt is entertainment enough for me.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 12:34:14 PMQuote from: challengerX on September 27, 2014, 12:30:33 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 12:05:52 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 11:56:17 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 09:59:18 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 06:37:04 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 02:08:38 AMOf course they are.YouTubeIs that your final answer?*walks in holding bags of groceries*.......why is there a game show in my house?SpoilerThey make choices like everyone else. DUH they are responsible!Good shrek have mercy.Alrighty, well let's do this properly rather than with rustling and le raeg feces.Do you know/understand the concept of Compos Mentis?Basically being of sound mind, I might not be using it 100% correctly in a legal sense but the term and the meaning is the point here. Being in control of your mental faculties, i.e not having your mind warped and twisted into thinking something abnormal.I'll give a few examples.A seemingly normal person living their life, suddenly decides to kill someone. Are they morally responsible for their actions? Well, first you have to figure out why they did it.In case one, the person does it to cover up a secret that they don't want revealing.In case two, the person has been hearing voices, hallucinating and has been convinced that the person they just killed was out to get them.In case three, the person was bored and wanted to see what it would be like to kill someone.1 - Morally responsible, guilty and is a piece of shit.2 - Likely to be suffering from Acute Schizophrenia, this removes the choice from their actions as they are not made under proper circumstances but under a warped and flawed set of thinking borne of intensive fear.3 - Chances are that this person is a Psychopath*, I'll come back to this one in a moment.The reason the Schizophrenic is not morally responsible or fully legally responsible is because their mind is not right. They are ill and instead of receiving the treatment they needed, they slipped under the radar and ended up killing someone.Do you blame a cancer patient for dying of cancer? Are they morally responsible for the tumour?Of course they aren't, they can't help it if they are genetically predisposed to such a condition/ailment. The same applies to many people with severe mental illness, they don't choose to go crazy and kill someone - Their mental imbalances are out of their control and to assign moral responsibility and thus guilt to them for their subsequent actions is just downright wrong.By no means is what they did alright, but it isn't their fault that they are ill. So instead of punishment for their 'crime' they will end up sectioned to a psychiatric hospital until they it is determined that they are no longer a threat to the public or themselves.The tl;dr is that you cannot blame people for circumstances that are out of their control, mental illness falls under this category.That being said, severity plays into this. Someone with an eating disorder murdering someone over 'normal' circumstances doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. The situation plays a very important role in determining responsibility.But as a rule of thumb, Mentally ill people are not morally responsible for their actions as they are not in direct control of what they do.EDIT: Whoops forgot the psychopath bit. I'll do that in a separate comment.You took me serious and typed all that?YOU FELL FOR MY TRAP CARD!He didn't fall for anything. He showed you how wrong you were, you understood, and to save face you're acting you weren't serious the whole time. Why people insist on being so prideful instead of just saying "I see, I guess I was wrong.", I have no idea. Especially when he wasn't being rude.Then it seems I fooled you as wellYou haven't fooled anybody. You see, this is why I have no interest in being civil and having a discussion. You guys go full retard and act like jackasses no matter what. Please, continue to pretend you tricked people and that people should either not take you seriously, or the fact that you will not listen to reason. Your move, they're both bad.
Quote from: challengerX on September 27, 2014, 12:30:33 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 12:05:52 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 11:56:17 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 09:59:18 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 06:37:04 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 02:08:38 AMOf course they are.YouTubeIs that your final answer?*walks in holding bags of groceries*.......why is there a game show in my house?SpoilerThey make choices like everyone else. DUH they are responsible!Good shrek have mercy.Alrighty, well let's do this properly rather than with rustling and le raeg feces.Do you know/understand the concept of Compos Mentis?Basically being of sound mind, I might not be using it 100% correctly in a legal sense but the term and the meaning is the point here. Being in control of your mental faculties, i.e not having your mind warped and twisted into thinking something abnormal.I'll give a few examples.A seemingly normal person living their life, suddenly decides to kill someone. Are they morally responsible for their actions? Well, first you have to figure out why they did it.In case one, the person does it to cover up a secret that they don't want revealing.In case two, the person has been hearing voices, hallucinating and has been convinced that the person they just killed was out to get them.In case three, the person was bored and wanted to see what it would be like to kill someone.1 - Morally responsible, guilty and is a piece of shit.2 - Likely to be suffering from Acute Schizophrenia, this removes the choice from their actions as they are not made under proper circumstances but under a warped and flawed set of thinking borne of intensive fear.3 - Chances are that this person is a Psychopath*, I'll come back to this one in a moment.The reason the Schizophrenic is not morally responsible or fully legally responsible is because their mind is not right. They are ill and instead of receiving the treatment they needed, they slipped under the radar and ended up killing someone.Do you blame a cancer patient for dying of cancer? Are they morally responsible for the tumour?Of course they aren't, they can't help it if they are genetically predisposed to such a condition/ailment. The same applies to many people with severe mental illness, they don't choose to go crazy and kill someone - Their mental imbalances are out of their control and to assign moral responsibility and thus guilt to them for their subsequent actions is just downright wrong.By no means is what they did alright, but it isn't their fault that they are ill. So instead of punishment for their 'crime' they will end up sectioned to a psychiatric hospital until they it is determined that they are no longer a threat to the public or themselves.The tl;dr is that you cannot blame people for circumstances that are out of their control, mental illness falls under this category.That being said, severity plays into this. Someone with an eating disorder murdering someone over 'normal' circumstances doesn't give them a get out of jail free card. The situation plays a very important role in determining responsibility.But as a rule of thumb, Mentally ill people are not morally responsible for their actions as they are not in direct control of what they do.EDIT: Whoops forgot the psychopath bit. I'll do that in a separate comment.You took me serious and typed all that?YOU FELL FOR MY TRAP CARD!He didn't fall for anything. He showed you how wrong you were, you understood, and to save face you're acting you weren't serious the whole time. Why people insist on being so prideful instead of just saying "I see, I guess I was wrong.", I have no idea. Especially when he wasn't being rude.Then it seems I fooled you as well
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 12:45:41 PMThe OP basically knocked the answer pretty solid. So anyone blatantly disagreeing with it, obviously isn't serious.The fact that Challenger is so pissy over such a casual attempt is entertainment enough for me.That doesn't follow. If anything, it's quite bigoted, if in a benign way, to assume anybody with a different opinion to a well-stated argument "obviously isn't serious".
Did I say "in all cases"? No.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 27, 2014, 12:49:28 PMDid I say "in all cases"? No.Yes. "Anyone who disagrees" includes everyone who disagrees.
Are mentally ill people morally responsible?
