*yawns*So...Lemme get this straight.You're calling me an uneducated imbecile, yet you couldn't tell that what I said was obviously a rhetorical question. Or is this yet another elaborate ruse of yours?
Hitler and Stalin were Hitlerists and Stalinists. They weren't defined by being tied to any worship or anti-worship of anything but themselves.You guys like to through them out as either why religion, or atheism is bad. In reality its neither. They wanted to be gods in their own time. They often used either religious or atheistic rhetoric to further their goal, but make no mistake, they punished any who didn't believe in them personally. So, please, do us all a favor and stop erroneously using them in this argument.
dat shit-tier bait. God, like every one of your posts is shit bait.
Speaking as someone who has at least a vague idea of what he's talking about, let me give you the actual facts about Hitler & Stalin's supposed religious beliefs.- Hitler's religious views aren't really clear, as even among close friends he tended to be tight-lipped on the subject. While he did at various points of his life criticize organized religion and traditional christian morality, he was wary to attack them in public, as a lot of German right-wingers were christian and pissing them off wasn't in his best interest. That being said, he did often express belief in an "almighty creator" while in public, and was willing to use religion to justify his actions, which might say something about religion as an institution.tl;dr Hitler's religious beliefs were somewhat ambiguous, but claiming that he was an atheist is just as disingenuous as claiming that he was a christian (hint hint, kinder)- Stalin, on the other hand, was very open about his atheism, and wasn't shy about persecuting religious people in Russia. This was largely an ideological move, as the official Marxist-Leninist party line was that religion was an opiate and needed to be eliminated in order to produce a truly socialist society. This was partially out of personal prejudice, but it's important to remember that the Russian Orthodox Church at the time had a bit of a bad rep among the general public for their support of the former Czarist regime (and as awful as the Soviet Union was, it's important to remember that Czarist Russia was just as bad), so there was a pragmatic element to the religious persecution, in addition to the ideological one.If you want to learn more, Wikipedia has some pretty good articles on the subject:hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Unionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
So...basically what I said, but with more details?
Mostly, yes.Saying that Stalin wasn't defined by being tied to anti-worship isn't quite accurate, though, as he clearly was.
Hitler was an atheist thoughHistorians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity. Hitler in adulthood became disdainful of Christianity
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on September 07, 2014, 02:47:38 PMThe internet is making me want to convert to this.Muh special snowflake indecision centrist stance :^)
The internet is making me want to convert to this.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on September 07, 2014, 05:20:29 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on September 07, 2014, 02:47:38 PMThe internet is making me want to convert to this.Muh special snowflake indecision centrist stance :^)It's not even that. Apatheism is literally just lazy atheism.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 06:21:29 PMQuote from: TrussingDoor on September 07, 2014, 05:20:29 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on September 07, 2014, 02:47:38 PMThe internet is making me want to convert to this.Muh special snowflake indecision centrist stance :^)It's not even that. Apatheism is literally just lazy atheism.No stance = stanceFlawless logic.