Another thread about suicide

Hard to trust psychologists? Why's that?
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I plead the fifth.

On a more serious note it can hardly be considered unusual for people to be reluctant to let a psychologist into their mind.

A good example of this would be how I've seen 5 different psychologist/psychiatrists over the last 4 years for various reasons, I could talk to all of them about the basic stuff at the time - history, symptoms and the like but it was only with one of them that I spoke with briefly about the uh 'e.e' problem rather than the simpler things like the depression/anxiety.

I kind of regret not going further with it, because it would have been nice to get some answers a few years ago but that's why I'm going for round 6 soon enough, which will hopefully put it all to rest for good.

Letting someone else know what colour your soul is isn't by any means easy, and I'm not gonna bullshit over it and say otherwise. What is important to remember though, as a rule of thumb, people don't go into mental healthcare if they are devoid of compassion. Maybe some do, but they don't last very long imo given that their colleagues would be able to pick up on that far more easily than in any other profession.

A psychologist, psychiatrist, counsellor, nurse, social worker and any other MHP is there to help you get better, what you tell them is sacrosanct within the confines of the obvious disclaimer that anyone worth their salt will make clear at the start of any treatment

To the effect of 'if you say something that indicates you pose a serious risk to yourself or others, we are obligated to inform the relevant authority' which translates to if you told your shrink you were going to go postal tomorrow, they'd stop you leaving the building.

The first and foremost thing a shrink has to do with a patient is to build trust between them, some are better than others because humans are a variable species but at the end of the day, they are there to help you <.<

tl;dr
It's not easy by any means, but a good psych is probably the most trustworthy sort of person on the planet.

Spoiler

and the least.
(this bit is a joke deci, referring to a thread i made a month or so ago)

er sorry for the wall fruit
it got me rambling again
>_>

I probably wouldn't be alive if my family and friends weren't here.

The only reason I hadn't killed myself in the past was because I knew the damage it would do to people who care about me. But that's a pretty typical reason for not finding ways to end it.

I hate being an edgy, nihilistic prick, but sometimes I'm just like "What's the fucking point?"

I don't know maybe I just don't understand.

You don't

i know i fuck with you constantly, but that's just in good fun. you definitely aren't a bad person, and you sure as fuck don't deserve to die. go and see someone, dude. that's truly the best and only thing you can do for yourself.

99% of the site feels this way Deci ^

I probably wouldn't be alive if my family and friends weren't here.

The only reason I hadn't killed myself in the past was because I knew the damage it would do to people who care about me. But that's a pretty typical reason for not finding ways to end it.

I hate being an edgy, nihilistic prick, but sometimes I'm just like "What's the fucking point?"

That's pretty much the story of my life really.

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I don't know maybe I just don't understand.

You don't

Excuse me if I don't take the guy who takes solace in having an imaginary friend seriously.

Hardly relevant when you wouldn't take anybody in this thread seriously anyway. Everybody in here could give you some example of what they're dealing with and you'd shunt it down into "a sob story" just to lower it down an imaginary peg and discredit it.

I don't know maybe I just don't understand.

You don't

Excuse me if I don't take the guy who takes solace in having an imaginary friend seriously.

Rocketman's religious convictions are completely irrelevant in this conversation you moron.

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Rocketman's religious convictions are completely irrelevant in this conversation you moron.

It has everything to do with this, actually. It has everything to do with how he views and deals with depression.

No it really doesn't. You're the one who's giving the shitty man up advice that doesn't help anyone and more than often hurts people with the mental affliction. He's not. I may disagree with Rocketman on politics and religion but he's a lot better of a human being than you'll ever be.

Hardly relevant when you wouldn't take anybody in this thread seriously anyway. Everybody in here could give you some example of what they're dealing with and you'd shunt it down into "a sob story" just to lower it down an imaginary peg and discredit it.

Me ignoring he meaningless walls of text you post isn't the same as ignoring everybody. Because you do. You'll post something in 7 to 8 paragraphs that can be said in one.

To be on topic, there's depression and then there's this ceaseless whining from all these people living in first world countries who have never experienced something bad enough for them to want to commit suicide.

And again, a lot of people here date saying "well depression isn't logical", "anybody can't get depressed". According to who and what? We really don't know enough about the human brain to be making claims like these. Especially since fucking none of you are scientists. Rocketman least of all.

K. I'll make it simple for you.

1. My perspctive. I'm not happy. I'm trying to change that. Actively aware of it and I accept that I'm depressed. But I'm at a loss to change it. Nothing I'm doing is working. If only "man up" was so simple to do.

2. Depression doesn't come from only "bad" things. it can be regulated to a chemical inbalance in your head. It can depend on your personality.

3. Let's drop the higher authority bullshit card you're playing here. You don't need to be a fucking expert to see and understand that people get depression, or that being depressed is a natural thing that occurs for almost every person. The only difference is to what extent it effects them.

Short enough for you? Look at that. I even made it easy for you to break up into segments.

Hardly relevant when you wouldn't take anybody in this thread seriously anyway. Everybody in here could give you some example of what they're dealing with and you'd shunt it down into "a sob story" just to lower it down an imaginary peg and discredit it.

Me ignoring he meaningless walls of text you post isn't the same as ignoring everybody. Because you do. You'll post something in 7 to 8 paragraphs that can be said in one.

To be on topic, there's depression and then there's this ceaseless whining from all these people living in first world countries who have never experienced something bad enough for them to want to commit suicide.

And again, a lot of people here date saying "well depression isn't logical", "anybody can't get depressed". According to who and what? We really don't know enough about the human brain to be making claims like these. Especially since fucking none of you are scientists. Rocketman least of all.

K. I'll make it simple for you.

1. My perspctive. I'm not happy. I'm trying to change that. Actively aware of it and I accept that I'm depressed. But I'm at a loss to change it. Nothing I'm doing is working. If only "man up" was so simple to do.

2. Depression doesn't come from only "bad" things. it can be regulated to a chemical inbalance in your head. It can depend on your personality.

3. Let's drop the higher authority bullshit card you're playing here. You don't need to be a fucking expert to see and understand that people get depression, or that being depressed is a natural thing that occurs for almost every person. The only difference is to what extent it effects them.

Short enough for you? Look at that. I even made it easy for you to break up into segments.

Don't waste your time buddy, I doubt he'll ever understand that everyone on this earth is built differently and that depression is a real thing. He hasn't lost jack shit to be depressed, he hasn't had people in his life just constantly shit on him, or quite simply he has never been unhappy with the way things are. He has no idea that a million things can cause a person to be depressed.

You can "man up" to carry shit and stay motivated to get something done, but it is only temporary mental relief. I'm hiding the real problem with a fake smile and being fake happy. Robin Williams and Justin Carmichael did the same thing and look at what ended up happening to them. They never talked about it or spoke out. I'm speaking out even though its very minimal to find acceptance about it online.

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K. I'll make it simple for you.

1. My perspctive. I'm not happy. I'm trying to change that. Actively aware of it and I accept that I'm depressed. But I'm at a loss to change it. Nothing I'm doing is working. If only "man up" was so simple to do.

You do man up though. That's what I mean.

You're life is extremely depressing. Even though you do whine online a lot.

2. Depression doesn't come from only "bad" things. it can be regulated to a chemical inbalance in your head. It can depend on your personality.

Yeah I'm pretty sure you weren't ALL born with a chemical imbalance.

3. Let's drop the higher authority bullshit card you're playing here. You don't need to be a fucking expert to see and understand that people get depression, or that being depressed is a natural thing that occurs for almost every person. The only difference is to what extent it effects them.

I have not once appealed to authority.

My point is you people especially don't know what you're talking about, considering most experts have no clue.

Short enough for you? Look at that. I even made it easy for you to break up into segments.

Still overly long.

I think you should go find another thread. Your lack of understanding is depressing.

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Don't waste your time buddy, I doubt he'll ever understand that everyone on this earth is built differently and that depression is a real thing.

He hasn't lost jack shit to be depressed,

LOL

I'm sure Armen from Glendale with mommy and daddy to buy him everything and keep him safe has suffered through so much and lost so much.

he hasn't had people in his life just constantly shit on him,

You know somehow I don't remember telling you my life story.

You know literally nothing about my life. My life isn't the subject, either. It's yours. Your life has been far more comfortable than mine for sure, and a hell of a lot more comfortable than a lot other people's lives.

 

or quite simply he has never been unhappy with the way things are. He has no idea that a million things can cause a person to be depressed.

Except I do.

You can "man up" to carry shit and stay motivated to get something done, but it is only temporary mental relief. I'm hiding the real problem with a fake smile and being fake happy. Robin Williams and Justin Carmichael did the same thing and look at what ended up happening to them. They never talked about it or spoke out. I'm speaking out even though its very minimal to find acceptance about it online.

Acceptance online isn't going to help you at all. Whining online like you people do isn't going to help you.

Man up. If you need help, get real help.

Nope. You still don't get it. My life hasn't been comfortable and mommy and daddy didn't buy me everything like you claim. Every single thing that I own currently, I bought it with my own money and I had to work hard for it. I don't ask people to buy me shit, I don't even ask people to buy food.

You're a fucking dick and you should get the fuck out of this thread. Realistically you are my real issue on this website. You treat people like shit. Manning up or being a man =/= act like a fucking dick.

And just how I don't know anything about your personal life, you don't know jack shit about mine, so keep your stupid assumptions to yourself.

Honestly, I hate you. I think you're a horrible person and you'll never change. All you'll do is post the same stupid shit like you always do all over again, hence I told Sandtrap there was no fucking point in talking to you. This is the one time I have decided to not ignore just to make my point, but if the entire website just ignored your bullshit, I bet that would be one big fucking wake up call. Too bad you have dick riders that have your back.

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The only thing everyone knows about my personal life is that I live in Glendale and I'm a college student, and that I have GF that everyone assumes isn't real but I'm not even going to bother debating about that.

That is all you know Challenger. You know nothing else. Not a god damn fucking thing.

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You'll get past it, so long as you want to get past it. Part of it is willpower, the rest is conditional/situational (i.e. who and what you surround yourself with).

Advice, if you want it.

One of the things that perpetuates depression is self loathing, or just way too much focus on "why me?" or the belief that everything in the world is against you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's probably an accurate descriptor of you. This is a mindset that needs to be broken past, and while easier said than done, it's the best advice I can give for getting past this kind of depression.

Take the time to appreciate the good things in life. Go on a nature hike and take the time to clear your mind (Remove EVERYTHING from your mind. This is tough if you haven't done it before, but if you're the type to be able to lay in bed and not do anything but stare at the ceiling for hours, you can do it. If you have to, stop and concentrate on one thing, maybe a plant or something. The moment your mind drifts, focus back on the plant and pay attention the details on the plant rather than the thoughts floating around your mind. Once you can get your brain to shut up about the things you don't want to focus on, you can start making the proper steps forward.) and concentrate on nothing but your surroundings, and take the time to appreciate everything around you. Basically, make a conscious effort to give credit to every little good thing in your life while not acknowledging the bad. While it's usually important to not just ignore the bad things in life, when you're depressed it's all you focus on. The goal is to get away from that. This might seem corny in your head for a while but trust me, once you can shift your mindset to stop dwelling, your life becomes infinitely better.

I can't emphasize enough how important it is to shift your focus. It's the hardest in the beginning because you have to make a constant and active effort, but it does get easier over time. The next really important thing you'd have to do is do whatever you can to cut toxic people off. (Cough cough like Sep7agon. Not because I want you to leave, as I've said from the very very beginning, but because it's clearly not helping you at all and frankly might be making you spiral even more.) Distancing is important. I don't know how things are at home with your parents but if you're around too much then maybe it's time to start going out more. Get out of the places where you usually tend to dwell while you're in more depressive bouts and redirect your focus. You're a few months older than me, maybe it's time to start thinking about finding roommates and getting your own place. If you get people to split expenses with, it's really not that bad. Basically just put yourself out there and do your best to push past your comfort zone. Productivity is important because if you're actively doing things it can give you some sense of purpose. It doesn't have to be "I've found the meaning of my life" purpose, just something important that keeps you busy that you know you have to do.

If you've got good friends who listen, talk to them. Councilors/therapists have never done anything for me, and they don't really know you in your day to day life. However if you don't have people you can talk to who are wiser than you and of a sound state of mind, a therapist might be your best option. It is what they're trained for, after all. Talking about your problems is important because when you're saying it, sometimes you can figure out the solutions yourself just by putting things into words. Kind of balancing it so that some if it is vocal conversation (since more likely than not I'm guessing you probably talk to people in the form of text) is important. Talk in person, over the phone, in a video call. Hear your own words, and pick out what's wrong with what you're saying.

Most important of all though, make the time in your life to do the things that make you happy. I'm not really sure what to say beyond that, because really everyone's path is different so you'd have to figure it out yourself along the way.

Life has it's bumps, but that's just life. Don't let it eat you up.

After reading your advice again, I am thinking about cutting ties with this place, especially if shits going to keep hitting the fan, especially if I fail at redeeming myself.

You'll get past it, so long as you want to get past it. Part of it is willpower, the rest is conditional/situational (i.e. who and what you surround yourself with).

Advice, if you want it.

One of the things that perpetuates depression is self loathing, or just way too much focus on "why me?" or the belief that everything in the world is against you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's probably an accurate descriptor of you. This is a mindset that needs to be broken past, and while easier said than done, it's the best advice I can give for getting past this kind of depression.

Take the time to appreciate the good things in life. Go on a nature hike and take the time to clear your mind (Remove EVERYTHING from your mind. This is tough if you haven't done it before, but if you're the type to be able to lay in bed and not do anything but stare at the ceiling for hours, you can do it. If you have to, stop and concentrate on one thing, maybe a plant or something. The moment your mind drifts, focus back on the plant and pay attention the details on the plant rather than the thoughts floating around your mind. Once you can get your brain to shut up about the things you don't want to focus on, you can start making the proper steps forward.) and concentrate on nothing but your surroundings, and take the time to appreciate everything around you. Basically, make a conscious effort to give credit to every little good thing in your life while not acknowledging the bad. While it's usually important to not just ignore the bad things in life, when you're depressed it's all you focus on. The goal is to get away from that. This might seem corny in your head for a while but trust me, once you can shift your mindset to stop dwelling, your life becomes infinitely better.

I can't emphasize enough how important it is to shift your focus. It's the hardest in the beginning because you have to make a constant and active effort, but it does get easier over time. The next really important thing you'd have to do is do whatever you can to cut toxic people off. (Cough cough like Sep7agon. Not because I want you to leave, as I've said from the very very beginning, but because it's clearly not helping you at all and frankly might be making you spiral even more.) Distancing is important. I don't know how things are at home with your parents but if you're around too much then maybe it's time to start going out more. Get out of the places where you usually tend to dwell while you're in more depressive bouts and redirect your focus. You're a few months older than me, maybe it's time to start thinking about finding roommates and getting your own place. If you get people to split expenses with, it's really not that bad. Basically just put yourself out there and do your best to push past your comfort zone. Productivity is important because if you're actively doing things it can give you some sense of purpose. It doesn't have to be "I've found the meaning of my life" purpose, just something important that keeps you busy that you know you have to do.

If you've got good friends who listen, talk to them. Councilors/therapists have never done anything for me, and they don't really know you in your day to day life. However if you don't have people you can talk to who are wiser than you and of a sound state of mind, a therapist might be your best option. It is what they're trained for, after all. Talking about your problems is important because when you're saying it, sometimes you can figure out the solutions yourself just by putting things into words. Kind of balancing it so that some if it is vocal conversation (since more likely than not I'm guessing you probably talk to people in the form of text) is important. Talk in person, over the phone, in a video call. Hear your own words, and pick out what's wrong with what you're saying.

Most important of all though, make the time in your life to do the things that make you happy. I'm not really sure what to say beyond that, because really everyone's path is different so you'd have to figure it out yourself along the way.

Life has it's bumps, but that's just life. Don't let it eat you up.

After reading your advice again, I am thinking about cutting ties with this place, especially if shits going to keep hitting the fan, especially if I fail at redeeming myself.

Hmm. Feeling down again eh? Two points to cover here.

The first being, that you have to ask yourself why you come here. I know that for myself, I come here because there's people I like talking to. There's people I like "seeing," in some sense. But, this place has it's drawbacks. It's a tad depressive. And it's time consuming. So in one hand, you've got the pros, and in one hand, you've got the cons.

Let me tell you that cutting ties with this place won't work with you. You don't have the mental fortitude to stick with it. As you've demonstrated multiple times when you've left and come back here. And that's because you're not thinking about this in a manner that makes sense.

For example, if I were to suddenly cut ties with this place, I would gain the benifit or more time gained and being exposed to less depressive things. But, I'd lose critical interaction with people I like talking to and trying to get know better.

So what would be the most logical thing to do? Not take an extreme stance. Instead, use a little moderation. Stop by the place every now and then, but watch so that you don't end up spending too much time here.

The second point here, is old habits. I don't know much about ya or I don't remember much. But that doesn't mean I can't see what's up with you. Obviously, you're not in a good state.  And, you might be trying to fix that. Let me tell you, that there's no fucking chance of ever fixing yourself up quickly. There's no magic button that resets everything.

It takes a lot of conscious effort on your part to change. And it might take more than just efforts on your own part. You might need help and guidence too. For example.

I know the exact number of years I've been in a depressive state. 10 years. Right now, I know all the things that I can do to combat that leech in my head. I need to focus my attention on things. I need to move and keep active. But the trick I haven't learned yet, is how to keep moving. As soon as I stop, I'm staring at my depression again.

And as soon as I acknowledge its presence, I slip and fall right back into my rut. So, even with the keys and the know how of how to go about getting rid of this, I'm still having trouble. Which means that on my part, I have to put more effort and focus into this to beat it. But I understand that it's not going to dissappear overnight. It'll take time.

Same applies to you.

You'll get past it, so long as you want to get past it. Part of it is willpower, the rest is conditional/situational (i.e. who and what you surround yourself with).

Advice, if you want it.

One of the things that perpetuates depression is self loathing, or just way too much focus on "why me?" or the belief that everything in the world is against you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's probably an accurate descriptor of you. This is a mindset that needs to be broken past, and while easier said than done, it's the best advice I can give for getting past this kind of depression.

Take the time to appreciate the good things in life. Go on a nature hike and take the time to clear your mind (Remove EVERYTHING from your mind. This is tough if you haven't done it before, but if you're the type to be able to lay in bed and not do anything but stare at the ceiling for hours, you can do it. If you have to, stop and concentrate on one thing, maybe a plant or something. The moment your mind drifts, focus back on the plant and pay attention the details on the plant rather than the thoughts floating around your mind. Once you can get your brain to shut up about the things you don't want to focus on, you can start making the proper steps forward.) and concentrate on nothing but your surroundings, and take the time to appreciate everything around you. Basically, make a conscious effort to give credit to every little good thing in your life while not acknowledging the bad. While it's usually important to not just ignore the bad things in life, when you're depressed it's all you focus on. The goal is to get away from that. This might seem corny in your head for a while but trust me, once you can shift your mindset to stop dwelling, your life becomes infinitely better.

I can't emphasize enough how important it is to shift your focus. It's the hardest in the beginning because you have to make a constant and active effort, but it does get easier over time. The next really important thing you'd have to do is do whatever you can to cut toxic people off. (Cough cough like Sep7agon. Not because I want you to leave, as I've said from the very very beginning, but because it's clearly not helping you at all and frankly might be making you spiral even more.) Distancing is important. I don't know how things are at home with your parents but if you're around too much then maybe it's time to start going out more. Get out of the places where you usually tend to dwell while you're in more depressive bouts and redirect your focus. You're a few months older than me, maybe it's time to start thinking about finding roommates and getting your own place. If you get people to split expenses with, it's really not that bad. Basically just put yourself out there and do your best to push past your comfort zone. Productivity is important because if you're actively doing things it can give you some sense of purpose. It doesn't have to be "I've found the meaning of my life" purpose, just something important that keeps you busy that you know you have to do.

If you've got good friends who listen, talk to them. Councilors/therapists have never done anything for me, and they don't really know you in your day to day life. However if you don't have people you can talk to who are wiser than you and of a sound state of mind, a therapist might be your best option. It is what they're trained for, after all. Talking about your problems is important because when you're saying it, sometimes you can figure out the solutions yourself just by putting things into words. Kind of balancing it so that some if it is vocal conversation (since more likely than not I'm guessing you probably talk to people in the form of text) is important. Talk in person, over the phone, in a video call. Hear your own words, and pick out what's wrong with what you're saying.

Most important of all though, make the time in your life to do the things that make you happy. I'm not really sure what to say beyond that, because really everyone's path is different so you'd have to figure it out yourself along the way.

Life has it's bumps, but that's just life. Don't let it eat you up.

After reading your advice again, I am thinking about cutting ties with this place, especially if shits going to keep hitting the fan, especially if I fail at redeeming myself.

Hmm. Feeling down again eh? Two points to cover here.

The first being, that you have to ask yourself why you come here. I know that for myself, I come here because there's people I like talking to. There's people I like "seeing," in some sense. But, this place has it's drawbacks. It's a tad depressive. And it's time consuming. So in one hand, you've got the pros, and in one hand, you've got the cons.

Let me tell you that cutting ties with this place won't work with you. You don't have the mental fortitude to stick with it. As you've demonstrated multiple times when you've left and come back here. And that's because you're not thinking about this in a manner that makes sense.

For example, if I were to suddenly cut ties with this place, I would gain the benifit or more time gained and being exposed to less depressive things. But, I'd lose critical interaction with people I like talking to and trying to get know better.

So what would be the most logical thing to do? Not take an extreme stance. Instead, use a little moderation. Stop by the place every now and then, but watch so that you don't end up spending too much time here.

The second point here, is old habits. I don't know much about ya or I don't remember much. But that doesn't mean I can't see what's up with you. Obviously, you're not in a good state.  And, you might be trying to fix that. Let me tell you, that there's no fucking chance of ever fixing yourself up quickly. There's no magic button that resets everything.

It takes a lot of conscious effort on your part to change. And it might take more than just efforts on your own part. You might need help and guidence too. For example.

I know the exact number of years I've been in a depressive state. 10 years. Right now, I know all the things that I can do to combat that leech in my head. I need to focus my attention on things. I need to move and keep active. But the trick I haven't learned yet, is how to keep moving. As soon as I stop, I'm staring at my depression again.

And as soon as I acknowledge its presence, I slip and fall right back into my rut. So, even with the keys and the know how of how to go about getting rid of this, I'm still having trouble. Which means that on my part, I have to put more effort and focus into this to beat it. But I understand that it's not going to dissappear overnight. It'll take time.

Same applies to you.

You have a point. There are people that I do like talking to on here. You're one of them believe it or not.

I probably wouldn't be alive if my family and friends weren't here.

The only reason I hadn't killed myself in the past was because I knew the damage it would do to people who care about me. But that's a pretty typical reason for not finding ways to end it.

I hate being an edgy, nihilistic prick, but sometimes I'm just like "What's the fucking point?"

Just do it m8. Friends go quicker than the seasons and your family is gonna die anyway. Plus, who knows. There may be some spooky stuff on the otherside.

Just do it m8. Friends go quicker than the seasons and your family is gonna die anyway. Plus, who knows. There may be some spooky stuff on the otherside.

Shut the fuck up Tackel.

Just do it m8. Friends go quicker than the seasons and your family is gonna die anyway. Plus, who knows. There may be some spooky stuff on the otherside.

Shut the fuck up Tackel.

Please, tell me how I'm wrong in that statement.

Save your condescension and sob story. I don't care. I've suffered a lot and I'm not here crying or trying to kill myself.

If you're mentally fucked up, whatever. But don't tell me I don't know what it's like. I'm not here saying "lol it's easy just man up lmao". I'm saying man up, because giving into it doesn't make anything better.

And this is why I don't talk about anything too personal on this site.

I'll remind people that it's one thing to hold controversial views on a topic like suicide and depression, but it's another to go around actively encouraging other users to kill themselves.

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