America's unique problem with gun violence

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http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics

Vox is pretty biased to the left, but this is a decent article with quite a bit of easily-processed information. Quoting the article would be difficult because of its format, so just read it via the link.


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Pretty strange to see support for gun control decease since VT.

Could just be the other side gaining support due to misinformed fears of a total gun ban. 
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I'd also hardly say we have a *unique* problem with gun violence.

A pretty decent number of countries have a much bigger problem with gun violence than we do.

It's just that most of those countries have already put forward arms control laws that don't fucking work.

Or they're war zones.
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The more time I spend on this forum the more I'm into gun control. Flee is just too convincing and impossible to refute.
Sorry fam but nobody has the right to determine what private property another person can own so long as they are not actively interfering with another person.
The consequences of gun ownership in the United States have given appreciable enough reason to argue that having one doesn't really do anything productive and, at its worst, is responsible for mass killings of innocent people. I vehemently disagree with the idea that I'm depriving any person of their "Rights" by preventing them from attaining something created for the purpose of killing. You don't need a gun.


 
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Realistically, I can't see how any serious gun control would work in the US considering how prevalent gun culture is, and the availability of guns. Even starting to regulate it won't change the amount of firearms out there, and people will make sure to avoid any laws that seriously effect their capacity to obtain them. It would be like the prohibition.


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I'd also hardly say we have a *unique* problem with gun violence.

A pretty decent number of countries have a much bigger problem with gun violence than we do.

It's just that most of those countries have already put forward arms control laws that don't fucking work.

Or they're war zones.
[citations needed]

Cases such as Mexico obviously have bigger problems than simply the wrong people owning guns, so that comparison doesn't really work.

In every Western country comparable to the US, gun control has been overwhelmingly successful. Doesn't take an idiot to figure that banning the cause of the problem will prevent said problem.

Switzerland is a unique case at least partly because 'well-regulated militia' is a requirement, as opposed to a friendly, optional suggestion. And it's not some anti-government, black helicopter paranoia about averting a New World Order, but really is about defending one's country.

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I vehemently disagree with the idea that I'm depriving any person of their "Rights" by preventing them from attaining something created for the purpose of killing.
You're denying a person of their RIGHTS by preventing them from doing something that has no direct or inherent impact on you or anybody else. It's essentially the same thing as a smoking or liquor ban.
>comparing smoking and drinking to owning a weapon

not even relevant

you can still have the right to personal ownership of a firearm without it being as easy to buy as toothpaste
But private business owners have no right to discriminate!

They should have to do business with any customer no matter how sketchy they look!

#intervene #Bernie #equality #fuckyourfreemarket
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

You didn't even attempt to address his (valid) point.
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nobody has the right to determine what private property another person can own
What century do we live in


 
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I enjoy always seeing that one guy grasping at straws and bringing up the same points that already have proven to be "meh" at best.

Trussing is the septagon embodiment of the Republicans in office cucked by the NRA. I at least hope you agree SOMETHING needs to be done.
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Like Stephen Colbert said

"The definition of insanity is not changing anything, and expecting anything to change."


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Like Stephen Colbert said

"The definition of insanity is not changing anything, and expecting anything to change."
i wish i watched a single episode of his show


 
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Like Stephen Colbert said

"The definition of insanity is not changing anything, and expecting anything to change."
i wish i watched a single episode of his show
There is a reason to now, don't you think?


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Like Stephen Colbert said

"The definition of insanity is not changing anything, and expecting anything to change."
i wish i watched a single episode of his show
There is a reason to now, don't you think?
i have a bad case of archive panic

but yeah, the guy seems brilliant


 
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Like Stephen Colbert said

"The definition of insanity is not changing anything, and expecting anything to change."
i wish i watched a single episode of his show
There is a reason to now, don't you think?
i have a bad case of archive panic

but yeah, the guy seems brilliant
Ah that

eh, unless it's some story, I wouldn't freak about it, since it's current events. Plus he just started.


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You know what's funny? You'll ban guns, and still get those nasty shootings. And what isn't a shooting turns into stabbings and possibly sword violence. What you gonna do then? Ban blades?

Spoiler
Because people can't just create their own blades/shivs and go on a killing spree.

Worst part is that if it happens, how're people gonna defend themselves? Hide and hope the killer doesn't find them? That's one horrifying game of hide n seek.


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Like Stephen Colbert said

"The definition of insanity is not changing anything, and expecting anything to change."
i wish i watched a single episode of his show
There is a reason to now, don't you think?
i have a bad case of archive panic

but yeah, the guy seems brilliant

Brilliant, if you're a horribly biased leftist ideologue


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You know what's funny? You'll ban guns, and still get those nasty shootings. And what isn't a shooting turns into stabbings and possibly sword violence. What you gonna do then? Ban blades?

Spoiler
Because people can't just create their own blades/shivs and go on a killing spree.

Worst part is that if it happens, how're people gonna defend themselves? Hide and hope the killer doesn't find them? That's one horrifying game of hide n seek.
To be completely honest, I'd be glad to see a world with no weapons.

But if there must be weapons, I'd prefer they be guns.

Guns are a much less brutal weapon than those men have used historically.
It'd be nice. But the world is a huge prick and humanity has many savages, insane people, and the like.

A weaponless world would never suffice, for someone could simply pick up a rock and commit an act of violence.


 
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You'll ban guns
No we won't

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Because people can't just create their own blades/shivs and go on a killing spree.
Even if that was the case, knife sprees almost always result in less deaths, and they can be easier to detain. Just look at the history of them the past few years. In China 40 something people got injured, but none died. People will die, but guns offer a far easier way to do it. There is no arguing that.

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Worst part is that if it happens, how're people gonna defend themselves?
*Looks at gun shootings*

Yeah, you're phrasing it like nothing is already happening and that if we do it, we'll somehow be in a worse place than we are now.




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Sorry fam but nobody has the right to determine what private property another person can own so long as they are not actively interfering with another person.
brb renting a cement truck and buying 2 tons of fertilizer