Alright bitches, let's have a good ol' God debate

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · September 08, 2014, 01:03:27 AM

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TB · September 08, 2014, 01:13:09 AM

Trick question. The "victim" enjoyed it.

September 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM

Better question: if God loves everyone unconditionally, why even invent a place like Hell?

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · September 08, 2014, 01:15:07 AM

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cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 08, 2014, 01:15:48 AM

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Cheat · September 08, 2014, 01:18:19 AM

Quote from: ねこ on September 08, 2014, 01:15:07 AM

If god is omniscience does that mean we don't have free will to begin with

Yeah, that's the issue I always run into when I try to reason a god out (at least when they're both omnipotent and omniscient). With something like that, it can be said that everything that happens is its will to happen, or else it wouldn't have.

Since it's the god's will, there's no room for free will; only the illusion of such.

TB · September 08, 2014, 01:20:09 AM

Quote from: Cheat on September 08, 2014, 01:18:19 AM

Quote from: ねこ on September 08, 2014, 01:15:07 AM
If god is omniscience does that mean we don't have free will to begin with
Yeah, that's the issue I always run into when I try to reason a god out (at least when they're both omnipotent and omniscient). With something like that, it can be said that everything that happens is its will to happen, or else it wouldn't have.

Since it's the god's will, there's no room for free will; only the illusion of such.

This ^

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · September 08, 2014, 01:21:44 AM

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More Than Mortal · September 08, 2014, 01:59:31 AM

I'm almost certain the Abrahamic God doesn't exist.

I'm absolutely certain there's no reason to believe in any other sort of god, either.

I'm again almost certain that if a god did exist, he wouldn't be worthy of worship.

challengerX · September 08, 2014, 04:38:41 AM

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Super Irish · September 08, 2014, 07:09:37 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM

Better question: if God loves everyone unconditionally, why even invent a place like Hell?

Perhaps he loves the Devil too, and Devil wanted Hell...?

Korra · September 08, 2014, 07:47:30 AM

Maybe we just live in a Universe that doesn't give a flying bat about us...oh wait.

PSU · September 08, 2014, 01:37:43 PM

We shouldn't be asking God why children are starving. God should be asking us why we allow such a thing to happen.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · September 08, 2014, 01:49:27 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2014, 01:51:13 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 08, 2014, 01:37:43 PM

We shouldn't be asking God why children are starving. God should be asking us why we allow such a thing to happen.

If starving children are supposed to be a test for my morality, I sure feel bad for those who had the unfortunate role of being the ones I ignore since they truly get nothing out of it.

PSU · September 08, 2014, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 08, 2014, 01:51:13 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 08, 2014, 01:37:43 PM
We shouldn't be asking God why children are starving. God should be asking us why we allow such a thing to happen.
If starving children are supposed to be a test for my morality, I sure feel bad for those who had the unfortunate role of being the ones I ignore since they truly get nothing out of it.

Suffering on earth to have an eternity of heaven? I'd take that in a heartbeat.

DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2014, 02:17:49 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 08, 2014, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 08, 2014, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: PSU on September 08, 2014, 01:37:43 PM
We shouldn't be asking God why children are starving. God should be asking us why we allow such a thing to happen.
If starving children are supposed to be a test for my morality, I sure feel bad for those who had the unfortunate role of being the ones I ignore since they truly get nothing out of it.

Suffering on earth to have an eternity of heaven? I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Hell looks fun though. I wanna push boulders up never-ending cliffs all day. I'd be so ripped, man.

Kinder Graham · September 08, 2014, 02:32:49 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on September 08, 2014, 01:49:27 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 08, 2014, 01:37:43 PM
We shouldn't be asking God why children are starving. God should be asking us why we allow such a thing to happen.
Why does god allow us to allow it? We're certainly trying not to have starving children. He should give us a little help.

Think of it as a high school exam. You're supposed to do the text by yourself without the help of the teacher. Same concept, but life is the text, the student, is you, and the teacher is God. He's telling us we need to figure things out and make (or mark on a test) the right choices. We can raise our hand if we need help pronouncing a word or to know it's definition/meaning but aside from that, this test......life is ours to complete

R o c k e t · September 08, 2014, 02:35:11 PM

Until OP and Meta develop ability to debate properly and actually read posts,
I will not discuss this matter.

Kinder Graham · September 08, 2014, 02:35:12 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM

Better question: if God loves everyone unconditionally, why even invent a place like Hell?

Who is to say Hell is a place full of despair and torture? It could be very well be a safe place for those who commit wrong doing. If Satan is going to torture anybody, it would be the good people

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2014, 02:42:35 PM

Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 08, 2014, 02:35:11 PM

Until OP and Meta develop ability to debate properly and actually read posts,
I will not discuss this matter.

I can debate properly. Yeah, I get hotheaded and can be opinionated, but I'm one of the most tolerant people you'll find in terms of differing beliefs and attitudes.

My main concern is that I see no reason to believe in any sort of deity (although deism, to an extent, is mildly justifiable), which you're welcome to challenge me on, but it only becomes a problem if your beliefs are being used to step on people's toes or, especially, if they're being used to legislate.

I don't really know what you're talking about though, since I haven't debated - or even responded to - anybody's posts in this thread.

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2014, 02:43:51 PM

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 08, 2014, 02:35:12 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM
Better question: if God loves everyone unconditionally, why even invent a place like Hell?
Who is to say Hell is a place full of despair and torture?

The people who wrote the Bible.

R o c k e t · September 08, 2014, 02:45:33 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 08, 2014, 02:42:35 PM

Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 08, 2014, 02:35:11 PM
Until OP and Meta develop ability to debate properly and actually read posts,
I will not discuss this matter.
I can debate properly. Yeah, I get hotheaded and can be opinionated, but I'm one of the most tolerant people you'll find in terms of differing beliefs and attitudes.

My main concern is that I see no reason to believe in any sort of deity (although deism, to an extent, is mildly justifiable), which you're welcome to challenge me on, but it only becomes a problem if your beliefs are being used to step on people's toes or, especially, if they're being used to legislate.

I don't really know what you're talking about though, since I haven't debated - or even responded to - anybody's posts in this thread.

I'm referring to our locked thread yesterday.

Sir Apple · September 08, 2014, 02:46:47 PM

BEST ANSWER: There is no God.

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2014, 02:48:43 PM

Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 08, 2014, 02:45:33 PM

I'm referring to our locked thread yesterday.

The one about the Earth being 6,000-10,000 years old.

Where I said if God was wiped from contemporary existence another one wouldn't be invented in his place and then you posted a response saying I was implying God had been invented (which, I actually didn't) and then I didn't respond to you at all?

I don't see how that reflects my capacity to debate,

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2014, 02:50:18 PM

Quote from: Sir Apple on September 08, 2014, 02:46:47 PM

BEST ANSWER: There is no God.

As far as science is concerned, that's a false claim.

Kinder Graham · September 08, 2014, 02:50:24 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 08, 2014, 02:43:51 PM

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 08, 2014, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM
Better question: if God loves everyone unconditionally, why even invent a place like Hell?
Who is to say Hell is a place full of despair and torture?
The people who wrote the Bible.

And the Bible has been translated dozens up dozens of times, along with being tweaked *cough*KingJamesversion*cough*

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2014, 02:51:34 PM

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 08, 2014, 02:50:24 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 08, 2014, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 08, 2014, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM
Better question: if God loves everyone unconditionally, why even invent a place like Hell?
Who is to say Hell is a place full of despair and torture?
The people who wrote the Bible.
And the Bible has been translated dozens up dozens of times, along with being tweaked *cough*KingJamesversion*cough*

So nobody should actually consider it an authoritative piece of literature?

Sir Apple · September 08, 2014, 02:51:42 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 08, 2014, 02:50:18 PM

Quote from: Sir Apple on September 08, 2014, 02:46:47 PM
BEST ANSWER: There is no God.
As far as science is concerned, that's a false claim.

Science is built up of theories, not facts.

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2014, 02:53:52 PM

Quote from: Sir Apple on September 08, 2014, 02:51:42 PM

Science is built up of theories, not facts.

You can't conflate the two.

Theories are, essentially, facts. The nature of empiricism, however, keeps us - and rightly so - from claiming any theory as absolute. What you mean by 'facts', I presume, are actually just observations. Which, disregarding the fact that they are subject to their own issues of validity, can't even begin to be compared to theories.