Quote from: MarKhan on October 15, 2020, 11:35:35 AMEvery time I look at this thread I always misread the title as "All livers matter"They may take our livers, but they'll never take... OUR FIREBALL!!!
Every time I look at this thread I always misread the title as "All livers matter"
Quote from: Spagelo on October 23, 2020, 03:23:26 AMQuote from: MarKhan on October 15, 2020, 11:35:35 AMEvery time I look at this thread I always misread the title as "All livers matter"They may take our livers, but they'll never take... OUR FIREBALL!!!Whatever estrogen-boy
the all lives matter thing is just dumb people not understanding that "black lives matter" is supposed to mean "black lives matter too."
Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on January 07, 2021, 08:31:02 PMthe all lives matter thing is just dumb people not understanding that "black lives matter" is supposed to mean "black lives matter too."Black lives are part of all lives tho.
Quote from: FatherlyNick 🇷🇺 on January 08, 2021, 02:45:15 AMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on January 07, 2021, 08:31:02 PMthe all lives matter thing is just dumb people not understanding that "black lives matter" is supposed to mean "black lives matter too."Black lives are part of all lives tho.but if all lives matter, then why are black people still systematically mistreated?that's why you emphasize black lives—it's not about putting anyone else down, but raising black lives up to the standard enjoyed by most other groups of people who aren't as affected by racism in our countryyou can say "all lives matter" if you want, but you're going to sound incredibly glib, because BLM isn't trying to say otherwise—it's about drawing attention to what needs to be drawn attention to, because presently, nobody else in america has to worry as much about stuff like police brutality like black people do
Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2021, 03:20:24 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick 🇷🇺 on January 08, 2021, 02:45:15 AM Black lives are part of all lives tho.but if all lives matter, then why are black people still systematically mistreated?that's why you emphasize black lives—it's not about putting anyone else down, but raising black lives up to the standard enjoyed by most other groups of people who aren't as affected by racism in our countryyou can say "all lives matter" if you want, but you're going to sound incredibly glib, because BLM isn't trying to say otherwise—it's about drawing attention to what needs to be drawn attention to, because presently, nobody else in america has to worry as much about stuff like police brutality like black people doWhen I say "All lives matter." it should be interpreted as "I am for a world where all lives are equal." or "All lives should matter."
Quote from: FatherlyNick 🇷🇺 on January 08, 2021, 02:45:15 AM Black lives are part of all lives tho.but if all lives matter, then why are black people still systematically mistreated?that's why you emphasize black lives—it's not about putting anyone else down, but raising black lives up to the standard enjoyed by most other groups of people who aren't as affected by racism in our countryyou can say "all lives matter" if you want, but you're going to sound incredibly glib, because BLM isn't trying to say otherwise—it's about drawing attention to what needs to be drawn attention to, because presently, nobody else in america has to worry as much about stuff like police brutality like black people do
Black lives are part of all lives tho.
Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2021, 03:20:24 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick [emoji635] on January 08, 2021, 02:45:15 AMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on January 07, 2021, 08:31:02 PMthe all lives matter thing is just dumb people not understanding that "black lives matter" is supposed to mean "black lives matter too."Black lives are part of all lives tho.but if all lives matter, then why are black people still systematically mistreated?that's why you emphasize black lives—it's not about putting anyone else down, but raising black lives up to the standard enjoyed by most other groups of people who aren't as affected by racism in our countryyou can say "all lives matter" if you want, but you're going to sound incredibly glib, because BLM isn't trying to say otherwise—it's about drawing attention to what needs to be drawn attention to, because presently, nobody else in america has to worry as much about stuff like police brutality like black people doWhen I say "All lives matter." it should be interpreted as "I am for a world where all lives are equal." or "All lives should matter."I feel like this better invokes images of unity than singling out one colour/gender/identity/species/age.Lives matter. All lives should matter. All lives matter.With BLM - its like there is an implication that all other lives are on some absolute level of justice while black people are the only group that is still mistreated in this world and that is definitely not true. There is cross-species slavery, genocides, abuses of power etc.I think my problem is that I'm looking at this localized issue (USA) from a global scale, hence the concept disconnect.
Quote from: FatherlyNick [emoji635] on January 08, 2021, 02:45:15 AMQuote from: Mmmmm Napalm on January 07, 2021, 08:31:02 PMthe all lives matter thing is just dumb people not understanding that "black lives matter" is supposed to mean "black lives matter too."Black lives are part of all lives tho.but if all lives matter, then why are black people still systematically mistreated?that's why you emphasize black lives—it's not about putting anyone else down, but raising black lives up to the standard enjoyed by most other groups of people who aren't as affected by racism in our countryyou can say "all lives matter" if you want, but you're going to sound incredibly glib, because BLM isn't trying to say otherwise—it's about drawing attention to what needs to be drawn attention to, because presently, nobody else in america has to worry as much about stuff like police brutality like black people do
just gonna leave this herehttps://i.imgur.com/xQaZWCb.mp4Spoilerhey cheat where's those gifv, webm, and mp4 embeds?
Quote from: E on January 09, 2021, 09:16:58 PMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on January 09, 2021, 03:42:00 PMjust gonna leave this herehttps://i.imgur.com/xQaZWCb.mp4Spoilerhey cheat where's those gifv, webm, and mp4 embeds?My cynicism calls. That footage could be cherry picking if it's not isolated to the same place. It's partwise a moot point if there's protesters getting beat up in another state entirely and others getting a better treatment on capitol hill. That just indicates the police force in one state is more rubbish than in another. Not to be a detractor to the actual situation, but shit like that serves no constructive purpose other than to paint a slanted narrative. If all the sources are out of the same general location, then I'd be more likely to buy it.Not really. It's pretty well established that the police would've responded EXTREMELY differently if it was a BLM protest. To suggest otherwise is to be woefully unaware of just how bad the situation was.
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on January 09, 2021, 03:42:00 PMjust gonna leave this herehttps://i.imgur.com/xQaZWCb.mp4Spoilerhey cheat where's those gifv, webm, and mp4 embeds?My cynicism calls. That footage could be cherry picking if it's not isolated to the same place. It's partwise a moot point if there's protesters getting beat up in another state entirely and others getting a better treatment on capitol hill. That just indicates the police force in one state is more rubbish than in another. Not to be a detractor to the actual situation, but shit like that serves no constructive purpose other than to paint a slanted narrative. If all the sources are out of the same general location, then I'd be more likely to buy it.
Quote from: E on January 09, 2021, 10:23:26 PMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on January 09, 2021, 10:10:36 PMQuote from: E on January 09, 2021, 09:16:58 PMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on January 09, 2021, 03:42:00 PMjust gonna leave this herehttps://i.imgur.com/xQaZWCb.mp4Spoilerhey cheat where's those gifv, webm, and mp4 embeds?My cynicism calls. That footage could be cherry picking if it's not isolated to the same place. It's partwise a moot point if there's protesters getting beat up in another state entirely and others getting a better treatment on capitol hill. That just indicates the police force in one state is more rubbish than in another. Not to be a detractor to the actual situation, but shit like that serves no constructive purpose other than to paint a slanted narrative. If all the sources are out of the same general location, then I'd be more likely to buy it.Not really. It's pretty well established that the police would've responded EXTREMELY differently if it was a BLM protest. To suggest otherwise is to be woefully unaware of just how bad the situation was.I would be unaware since I wasn't there in person. And I keep tabs in a minimalistic sense only to know that stuff is happening. I don't trust news outlets or social media not to slant things in their favor because it's proven that they do.Like I said, not to detract from the actual situation. You just can't ever trust anybody with political motiffs, even if they cover critical events and happenings.I had teargas thrown at me in a peaceful march with children and elderly people. Here's what DC looked like BLM vs MAGA:I'm not really in the mood to entertain this.
Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on January 09, 2021, 10:10:36 PMQuote from: E on January 09, 2021, 09:16:58 PMQuote from: ಠ_ಠ on January 09, 2021, 03:42:00 PMjust gonna leave this herehttps://i.imgur.com/xQaZWCb.mp4Spoilerhey cheat where's those gifv, webm, and mp4 embeds?My cynicism calls. That footage could be cherry picking if it's not isolated to the same place. It's partwise a moot point if there's protesters getting beat up in another state entirely and others getting a better treatment on capitol hill. That just indicates the police force in one state is more rubbish than in another. Not to be a detractor to the actual situation, but shit like that serves no constructive purpose other than to paint a slanted narrative. If all the sources are out of the same general location, then I'd be more likely to buy it.Not really. It's pretty well established that the police would've responded EXTREMELY differently if it was a BLM protest. To suggest otherwise is to be woefully unaware of just how bad the situation was.I would be unaware since I wasn't there in person. And I keep tabs in a minimalistic sense only to know that stuff is happening. I don't trust news outlets or social media not to slant things in their favor because it's proven that they do.Like I said, not to detract from the actual situation. You just can't ever trust anybody with political motiffs, even if they cover critical events and happenings.
Were there any riots caused by Trump rallies previously?Could be why there was lack of strong law-enforcement presence at the time.
Quote from: E on January 11, 2021, 01:43:54 AMAfter all that shit and protesting, even if it was well meant, do you feel like anything at all was accomplished? Was any justice done? Any headway made(other than showing that the police force is an issue)?I went to 3 separate marches, stopped going because of health stuff and the risk for covid was too high. I was there for police brutality, as I've seen a lot of it firsthand. The last time I ever called the police was when I was staying at a motel near the public transit station- I heard a man and woman screaming in the floor above me, sounded like the man was extremely angry and the woman like she feared for her life. By the time the cops arrived, the screaming had stopped and they didn't even try to investigate. Instead they kicked a homeless man awake who was sleeping on the grass, arrested him, and left. There have been other events, but that was the one where I completely stopped trusting them and the last time I ever called 911.Not much changed here, but in other parts of the country the police was at least partially defunded. I don't go much into specific detail about events like that in my life on here, but I'm no stranger to attending protests. When you work in nonprofits as much as I have it's practically part of the job. They don't typically result in immediate change. But as far as I'm concerned I was just doing my part. Nonprofit work was what kept me going when I was homeless and gave somewhat a sense of purpose, and I still contribute to causes on occasion. It's also what got me couches to crash on and scholarships to go back to school.
After all that shit and protesting, even if it was well meant, do you feel like anything at all was accomplished? Was any justice done? Any headway made(other than showing that the police force is an issue)?
Not sure how I feel about this narrative to vilify the Capitol Police in a scenario where they were incredibly overwhelmed and that resulted in five lives lost.It's reasonable to assume that the response would have been different if it was ANTIFA or something (a discrepancy between police responses in right-wing vs left-wing protests is a fact supported by data) but the National Guard probably would have been called much sooner. They were withheld by President Trump, who was reportedly pleased with the riot while it was occurring. I don't think I can fathom why democrats or republicans would want to be stormed by an angry mob of fascists and conspiracy theorists, when they were literally in the building.The video of them "letting them in", is actually the police falling back because they knew they wouldn't be able to hold their position. The only person waving them in is some guy in a hoodie and sweatpants. Not sure what to make of the selfie guy, but to my understanding there's an investigation going on.There's not some big conspiracy here. The only villains are the mob members that were chanting "hang Mike Pence" and had combat gear and zip tie hand cuffs, our dangerous rogue president, and the GOP members that continue to enable him.Feel free to fact check me on any of this.
I thought one death was the officer that got beaten with a fire extinguisher, and the other four were rioters. One of them at least was a rioter, since she got shot through the doorway by an officer.
Quote from: E on January 11, 2021, 10:13:00 PMI thought one death was the officer that got beaten with a fire extinguisher, and the other four were rioters. One of them at least was a rioter, since she got shot through the doorway by an officer.You are correct. I was arguing with the notion that that they were taking it easy on them (or secretly supporting them) when there ended up being so many deaths. However, after further reading, it looks like the other three were due to “medical emergencies” so maybe this was a somewhat weak point. I still disagree with demonizing the capitol police, many of whom are feeling demoralized and suicidal about the ordeal. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/capitol-police-morale-decline/
the year is 2021people still think that "antifa" is an organized group in Americafucking clown world
Silly human.No Lives Matter
I logged back in just to say ACAB
Quote from: rC on October 15, 2020, 10:15:42 AMI logged back in just to say ACABThis and also BLM is a fraudulent domestic terrorist organization/cult.
All Lives Matter
