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Quote from: CK97 on October 02, 2015, 11:10:47 AM misconceptionNot while the Brady Campaign is around.
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 02, 2015, 12:11:41 PMQuote from: CK97 on October 02, 2015, 11:10:47 AM misconceptionNot while the Brady Campaign is around.What, exactly, is so bad about the campaign?
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 12:27:59 PMQuote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 02, 2015, 12:11:41 PMQuote from: CK97 on October 02, 2015, 11:10:47 AM misconceptionNot while the Brady Campaign is around.What, exactly, is so bad about the campaign?Championed the FAWB
Worked to block the implementation of a law that allowed CWL/CCP holders to carry in national parks.Serves as the political activist voice for the most anti-gun people in America
Pretty sure they also tried to sue the company that sold James Holmes the magazines and ammo that he used in his shooting. That got thrown out of court pretty fast as it had no legal basis.
Did the company complete all necessary actions including background checks, yada yada?
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PMDid the company complete all necessary actions including background checks, yada yada?To sell accessories and non-regulated items?
Gun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 01:07:13 PMQuote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 02, 2015, 01:00:27 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PMDid the company complete all necessary actions including background checks, yada yada?To sell accessories and non-regulated items?Oh, so they aren't required to conduct background checks on firearms?I see a problem therethis is such a shitty fucking meme i swear to christhttps://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 02, 2015, 01:00:27 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PMDid the company complete all necessary actions including background checks, yada yada?To sell accessories and non-regulated items?Oh, so they aren't required to conduct background checks on firearms?I see a problem there
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 01:07:13 PMQuote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 02, 2015, 01:00:27 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PMDid the company complete all necessary actions including background checks, yada yada?To sell accessories and non-regulated items?Oh, so they aren't required to conduct background checks on firearms?I see a problem thereThey didn't sell him a firearm.
Quote from: Luciana on October 02, 2015, 01:13:00 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:03:37 PMGun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.All I got from this is"Humans love to murder, so let's provide them the tools to murderFuck liberals".Humans love to use violence against those who cannot inflict the same level of violence, so let's provide them the tools to equalize their capacity to harm.Before guns, power dynamics were based entirely on physical strength and numbers. The strong dominated the weak with swords, spears, knives.After simple, primitive guns, power dynamics were based on numbers alone. One of you can now do as much damage as one of anyone else.With modern autoloading weapons, all of the old is out the window. I can fight off one attacker or five with even a semi-automatic rifle.
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:03:37 PMGun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.All I got from this is"Humans love to murder, so let's provide them the tools to murderFuck liberals".
Quote from: Septy on October 02, 2015, 01:29:10 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 02, 2015, 01:13:00 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:03:37 PMGun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.All I got from this is"Humans love to murder, so let's provide them the tools to murderFuck liberals".Humans love to use violence against those who cannot inflict the same level of violence, so let's provide them the tools to equalize their capacity to harm.Before guns, power dynamics were based entirely on physical strength and numbers. The strong dominated the weak with swords, spears, knives.After simple, primitive guns, power dynamics were based on numbers alone. One of you can now do as much damage as one of anyone else.With modern autoloading weapons, all of the old is out the window. I can fight off one attacker or five with even a semi-automatic rifle.You would love a real life lord of the fliesthe point is deterrence
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 02, 2015, 01:13:00 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:03:37 PMGun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.All I got from this is"Humans love to murder, so let's provide them the tools to murderFuck liberals".Humans love to use violence against those who cannot inflict the same level of violence, so let's provide them the tools to equalize their capacity to harm.Before guns, power dynamics were based entirely on physical strength and numbers. The strong dominated the weak with swords, spears, knives.After simple, primitive guns, power dynamics were based on numbers alone. One of you can now do as much damage as one of anyone else.With modern autoloading weapons, all of the old is out the window. I can fight off one attacker or five with even a semi-automatic rifle.You would love a real life lord of the flies
Why do people try and turn the conversation to guns rather than mental health. Our mental institutions and the state of mental health in the U.S. are fucking sad. If somone is a collector or gun enthusiast let them have an automatic, but screen them and require strict licensing.
Quote from: Tiber Septim on October 02, 2015, 03:30:37 PMWhy do people try and turn the conversation to guns rather than mental health. Our mental institutions and the state of mental health in the U.S. are fucking sad. If somone is a collector or gun enthusiast let them have an automatic, but screen them and require strict licensing.Because it's both?Mental illness and the treatment of such is shitty in the United States - at the same time, it is beyond easy for those who are mentally ill to acquire weapons that should not be in their hands.Both need to be fixed.
The problem is that Republicans think "gun control" means "gun ban." Nothing will ever get changed while that misconception is still going around.
Quote from: CK97 on October 02, 2015, 11:10:47 AMThe problem is that Republicans think "gun control" means "gun ban." Nothing will ever get changed while that misconception is still going around.That's because, to a lot of liberals, it does mean that. Many republicans are strongly in favor or increasing restrictions on criminals or the mentally ill, more strict rules for concealed carry, etc.
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on October 02, 2015, 03:11:54 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:34:47 PMQuote from: Septy on October 02, 2015, 01:29:10 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 02, 2015, 01:13:00 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:03:37 PMGun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.All I got from this is"Humans love to murder, so let's provide them the tools to murderFuck liberals".Humans love to use violence against those who cannot inflict the same level of violence, so let's provide them the tools to equalize their capacity to harm.Before guns, power dynamics were based entirely on physical strength and numbers. The strong dominated the weak with swords, spears, knives.After simple, primitive guns, power dynamics were based on numbers alone. One of you can now do as much damage as one of anyone else.With modern autoloading weapons, all of the old is out the window. I can fight off one attacker or five with even a semi-automatic rifle.You would love a real life lord of the fliesthe point is deterrence'Deterrence' demonstrably isn't working though.I don't necessarily agree with stricter regulations but this "more guns make people safer" meme has been put to bed innumerable times.There really aren't that many people carrying. If you walk into a building most places, especially places like campuses that do not allow carry or have a culture that minimizes it, you can expect to be the only armed person until the police arrive.Deterrence, like the free market and many other wonderful things, is not working because it is not being allowed to work.Meanwhile there are a myriad of cases of -successful- defensive gun use every fucking year. A gun works as a defensive tool. The problem is, yes, that there aren't enough people carrying them.
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:34:47 PMQuote from: Septy on October 02, 2015, 01:29:10 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 02, 2015, 01:13:00 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:03:37 PMGun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.All I got from this is"Humans love to murder, so let's provide them the tools to murderFuck liberals".Humans love to use violence against those who cannot inflict the same level of violence, so let's provide them the tools to equalize their capacity to harm.Before guns, power dynamics were based entirely on physical strength and numbers. The strong dominated the weak with swords, spears, knives.After simple, primitive guns, power dynamics were based on numbers alone. One of you can now do as much damage as one of anyone else.With modern autoloading weapons, all of the old is out the window. I can fight off one attacker or five with even a semi-automatic rifle.You would love a real life lord of the fliesthe point is deterrence'Deterrence' demonstrably isn't working though.I don't necessarily agree with stricter regulations but this "more guns make people safer" meme has been put to bed innumerable times.
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on October 02, 2015, 06:49:33 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 03:49:03 PMQuote from: A E S T H E T I C S on October 02, 2015, 03:11:54 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:34:47 PMQuote from: Septy on October 02, 2015, 01:29:10 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 02, 2015, 01:13:00 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:03:37 PMGun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.All I got from this is"Humans love to murder, so let's provide them the tools to murderFuck liberals".Humans love to use violence against those who cannot inflict the same level of violence, so let's provide them the tools to equalize their capacity to harm.Before guns, power dynamics were based entirely on physical strength and numbers. The strong dominated the weak with swords, spears, knives.After simple, primitive guns, power dynamics were based on numbers alone. One of you can now do as much damage as one of anyone else.With modern autoloading weapons, all of the old is out the window. I can fight off one attacker or five with even a semi-automatic rifle.You would love a real life lord of the fliesthe point is deterrence'Deterrence' demonstrably isn't working though.I don't necessarily agree with stricter regulations but this "more guns make people safer" meme has been put to bed innumerable times.There really aren't that many people carrying. If you walk into a building most places, especially places like campuses that do not allow carry or have a culture that minimizes it, you can expect to be the only armed person until the police arrive.Deterrence, like the free market and many other wonderful things, is not working because it is not being allowed to work.Meanwhile there are a myriad of cases of -successful- defensive gun use every fucking year. A gun works as a defensive tool. The problem is, yes, that there aren't enough people carrying them.Got any empirical data from the most liberalized states in regards to gun accessibility?I mean, half of what you're saying is literally just blind assumption.you should know by now there is no unbiased source for gun data. EVERYONE has an agenda. Those that don't have a side don't say anything about it.Even in pro-gun states, carriers represent a small minority. I'm pretty sure they even represent a minority of gun owners in most places. This is the problem- there aren't enough of them for deterrence to actually be a thing.
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 03:49:03 PMQuote from: A E S T H E T I C S on October 02, 2015, 03:11:54 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:34:47 PMQuote from: Septy on October 02, 2015, 01:29:10 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:18:53 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 02, 2015, 01:13:00 PMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 02, 2015, 01:03:37 PMGun control is a cotton bandage on a sucking chest wound. It's a lazy feel good solution to the dark realities of human nature that we refuse to face.Can say the same of pretty much every popular leftist stance, really.All I got from this is"Humans love to murder, so let's provide them the tools to murderFuck liberals".Humans love to use violence against those who cannot inflict the same level of violence, so let's provide them the tools to equalize their capacity to harm.Before guns, power dynamics were based entirely on physical strength and numbers. The strong dominated the weak with swords, spears, knives.After simple, primitive guns, power dynamics were based on numbers alone. One of you can now do as much damage as one of anyone else.With modern autoloading weapons, all of the old is out the window. I can fight off one attacker or five with even a semi-automatic rifle.You would love a real life lord of the fliesthe point is deterrence'Deterrence' demonstrably isn't working though.I don't necessarily agree with stricter regulations but this "more guns make people safer" meme has been put to bed innumerable times.There really aren't that many people carrying. If you walk into a building most places, especially places like campuses that do not allow carry or have a culture that minimizes it, you can expect to be the only armed person until the police arrive.Deterrence, like the free market and many other wonderful things, is not working because it is not being allowed to work.Meanwhile there are a myriad of cases of -successful- defensive gun use every fucking year. A gun works as a defensive tool. The problem is, yes, that there aren't enough people carrying them.Got any empirical data from the most liberalized states in regards to gun accessibility?I mean, half of what you're saying is literally just blind assumption.
That's because, to a lot of liberals, it does mean that. Many republicans are strongly in favor or increasing restrictions on criminals or the mentally ill, more strict rules for concealed carry, etc.
About the shooting: one of my Army buddies posted this
