Was Zoe Quinn's ex right to out her?

I so why? If not, why not?

Discuss.

Was it tasteful? No, it was not but then again neither was the subject matter that is showed.

Yeah so was he right to do it though? And why did a lot of Youtubers like MundaneMatt and Internet Aristocrat focus on Quinn instead of the "5 guys"?

What the fuck even is gamergate?

Basically an anti SJW movement who harass people online and call it "ethics in games journalism".

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 08:21:05 AM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on May 06, 2015, 08:03:22 AM

What the fuck even is gamergate?

Basically an anti SJW movement who harass people online and call it "ethics in games journalism".

Just saying what it objectively is. Anti-GG says they're harassers and GG says they're for "ethics in games journalism".

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 08:37:23 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 06, 2015, 08:26:56 AM

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 08:21:05 AM

Quote from: Jocephalopod on May 06, 2015, 08:03:22 AM

What the fuck even is gamergate?

Basically an anti SJW movement who harass people online and call it "ethics in games journalism".

Just saying what it objectively is. Anti-GG says they're harassers and GG says they're for "ethics in games journalism".

Well it's not really objective if you're just listing the opinions from either side of the debate now, is it?

It's not a debate when it's just people spewing bile at each other.

"Games journalism" is bullshit.  To be honest, I couldn't give a shit about the personal lives of game developers/"journalists".  All this talk of "muh journalistic integrity" and "muh ethics" has become just as mind-numbing as the SJWs complaining about "muh tropes" and "muh sexism".

In the grand scheme of things, video games aren't that important, and people who say otherwise are lying to themselves.

"Games journalism" is bullshit.  To be honest, I couldn't give a shit about the personal lives of game developers/"journalists".  All this talk of "muh journalistic integrity" and "muh ethics" has become just as mind-numbing as the SJWs complaining about "muh tropes" and "muh sexism".

In the grand scheme of things, video games aren't that important, and people who say otherwise are lying to themselves.

That's not really the crux of our argument though. We recognise that in the wider scope of social issues, ethical journalistic practices isn't going to be at the top of the list. Still, it was an underlying problem that had been niggling gamers for a while, and GG was the tipping point.

The only censor that I know about was the one about Zoe Quinn and her supposedly cheating. And you can see why she did it, (true or not). Would you want people making threads and videos about your personal life?

I really don't give a fuck about Quinn and what she decides to put in her cunt. It does however, raise a few eyebrows when she actively sleeps with the gaming press a few weeks before the release of her game, because that would ultimately fall under a conflict of interest, reconciling with GG's ethics in journalism talking points.

There's damning evidence to suggest she faked harassment to gain sympathy points too, so I'll just add that as a little addendum.

Yeah I saw Sargons video about that, the anti GGers were quick to distance themselves from Chu. Chu just looks and sounds like a fucking spaz. Though it might not have actually been Chu but his twitter posts etc do make him look guilty.

I've yet to see anyone from anti GG disown Chu, but okay, I'll just take your word for it.

Onto your first point, what's worse? Making videos about someones personal life and spreading chinese whispers

It really doesn't fall into the purview of "personal" when you actively try to embroil yourself in conflicts of interest.

Quote from: Trojanlord on May 06, 2015, 07:44:48 AM

Was it tasteful? No, it was not but then again neither was the subject matter that is showed.

Yeah so was he right to do it though? And why did a lot of Youtubers like MundaneMatt and Internet Aristocrat focus on Quinn instead of the "5 guys"?

IA focused on the writers.

I haven't watchef Matt because he's an autistic, ReviewTechUSA-tier replygirl.

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 09:15:33 AM

The only censor that I know about was the one about Zoe Quinn and her supposedly cheating. And you can see why she did it, (true or not). Would you want people making threads and videos about your personal life?

I really don't give a fuck about Quinn and what she decides to put in her cunt. It does however, raise a few eyebrows when she actively sleeps with the gaming press a few weeks before the release of her game, because that would ultimately fall under a conflict of interest, reconciling with GG's ethics in journalism talking points.

There's damning evidence to suggest she faked harassment to gain sympathy points too, so I'll just add that as a little addendum.

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Yeah I saw Sargons video about that, the anti GGers were quick to distance themselves from Chu. Chu just looks and sounds like a fucking spaz. Though it might not have actually been Chu but his twitter posts etc do make him look guilty.

I've yet to see anyone from anti GG disown Chu, but okay, I'll just take your word for it.

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Onto your first point, what's worse? Making videos about someones personal life and spreading chinese whispers

It really doesn't fall into the purview of "personal" when you actively try to embroil yourself in conflicts of interest.

So Quinn is the one at fault and not the 5 guys? And what evidence that she faked harassment?

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 09:18:22 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 06, 2015, 09:16:19 AM

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on May 06, 2015, 09:12:21 AM

"Games journalism" is bullshit.  To be honest, I couldn't give a shit about the personal lives of game developers/"journalists".  All this talk of "muh journalistic integrity" and "muh ethics" has become just as mind-numbing as the SJWs complaining about "muh tropes" and "muh sexism".

In the grand scheme of things, video games aren't that important, and people who say otherwise are lying to themselves.

That's not really the crux of our argument though. We recognise that in the wider scope of social issues, ethical journalistic practices isn't going to be at the top of the list. Still, it was an underlying problem that had been niggling gamers for a while, and GG was the tipping point.

So why did GG become a thing after Zoe Quinn and not before when we all knew IGN, Activsion and EA etc were doing it for the best part of a decade?

Idk, I guess the Sarkeesian scandal and the dissatisfaction with censorious third wave tumblr feminism had a part to play. Whatever happened, happened, and now we're here. The controversy with Quinn was the precipice for a variety of reasons.

Yet none of those were as bad as what the triple A industry gets away with. Funny.

Quote from: Naoto on May 06, 2015, 09:37:00 AM

Have you read the zoe post? If a woman had received as much emotional abuse as he had there would be no question and everyone would have her back. So on that front he was justified.

As for the ethics part of it she was sleeping with her boss and two journalists who had given her positive press. That raises serious ethical questions that deserved to be answered.

Regardless of what any one's opinion on gg is I have no idea how anyone can view zoe quinn as anything close to a decent human being looking at the facts.

That all said this is old laundry and gg moved on from zoe a long time ago.

I have read it and I'm can't take it for face value. But lets say that I did, and she did cheat on him with several people, yeah that's fucking wrong when you're in a committed relationship. But does that give him the right to out her and whip up an angry mob?

Then shouldn't those questions be targeted towards the journalists and not Quinn? Like I said when the firt videos about the incident came out they all attacked Quinn and not the journalists.

I couldn't give a shit about GG, it's nothing to get worked up over, but it only started when Quinns ex doxxed her. So she might not be relevant currently but it's eyebrow raising that the people who started GG haven't give two fucks about sites like IGN who take money under the table from big publishers.

Seriously this thread reeks of either troll or quite a bit of ignorance. This is all months old stuff they tried to slander us with at the beginning. GG goes after the big publishers and 'journalist' sites as well not sure where you're getting otherwise. I'd suggest reading the Kotaku-in-action subreddit along with whatever sjw outlet you're coming from. If you're actually interested in learning something that is.

Almost every major site has updated its ethics policy since the start of gamergate and sites like Kotaku have retroactively disclosed relationships on a ton of articles. Not to mention the FTC updating their guidelines after a gg emailing campaign to force outlets to disclose hidden affliate links. Just to name a few things from the past months.

Currently gamergate is in talks with the Society of Professional Jorunalists, and has even begun to break bread with the IGDA after they promoted a slanderous blockbot (that also blocked journalists and KFC as 'worst harassers).

So if you aren't just out to shitpost. I'd say you're pretty misinformed on all this. Which wouldn't be a big deal since most people were as well. Majority of gg'ers started out neutral or anti-gg.

Quote from: Naoto on May 06, 2015, 09:55:22 AM

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 09:45:23 AM

Quote from: Naoto on May 06, 2015, 09:37:00 AM

Have you read the zoe post? If a woman had received as much emotional abuse as he had there would be no question and everyone would have her back. So on that front he was justified.

As for the ethics part of it she was sleeping with her boss and two journalists who had given her positive press. That raises serious ethical questions that deserved to be answered.

Regardless of what any one's opinion on gg is I have no idea how anyone can view zoe quinn as anything close to a decent human being looking at the facts.

That all said this is old laundry and gg moved on from zoe a long time ago.

I have read it and I'm can't take it for face value. But lets say that I did, and she did cheat on him with several people, yeah that's fucking wrong when you're in a committed relationship. But does that give him the right to out her and whip up an angry mob?

Then shouldn't those questions be targeted towards the journalists and not Quinn? Like I said when the firt videos about the incident came out they all attacked Quinn and not the journalists.

I couldn't give a shit about GG, it's nothing to get worked up over, but it only started when Quinns ex doxxed her. So she might not be relevant currently but it's eyebrow raising that the people who started GG haven't give two fucks about sites like IGN who take money under the table from big publishers.

Seriously this thread reeks of either troll or quite a bit of ignorance. This is all months old stuff they tried to slander us with at the beginning. GG goes after the big publishers and 'journalist' sites as well not sure where you're getting otherwise. I'd suggest reading the Kotaku-in-action subreddit along with whatever sjw outlet you're coming from. If you're actually interested in learning something that is.
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Yeah I stopped reading after this paragraph, I'm an SJW because I don't think GG is a proper movement and that doxxing Quinn was wrong? Dafuq you smoking?

So you're denying that Quinn was harassed and that she was wrong to get the videos about her taken down?

This is why I don't follow sites that are on either side of the issue, because of people like you who take it wa too seriously and twist things to you're own end.

>posts in serious
>doesn't read whole response
>thinks I called them an sjw
>expects a quality discussion while acting like a derp.

Thanks for clearing that up I guess?

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 06, 2015, 09:27:13 AM

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 09:18:22 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 06, 2015, 09:16:19 AM

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on May 06, 2015, 09:12:21 AM

"Games journalism" is bullshit.  To be honest, I couldn't give a shit about the personal lives of game developers/"journalists".  All this talk of "muh journalistic integrity" and "muh ethics" has become just as mind-numbing as the SJWs complaining about "muh tropes" and "muh sexism".

In the grand scheme of things, video games aren't that important, and people who say otherwise are lying to themselves.

That's not really the crux of our argument though. We recognise that in the wider scope of social issues, ethical journalistic practices isn't going to be at the top of the list. Still, it was an underlying problem that had been niggling gamers for a while, and GG was the tipping point.

So why did GG become a thing after Zoe Quinn and not before when we all knew IGN, Activsion and EA etc were doing it for the best part of a decade?

Idk, I guess the Sarkeesian scandal and the dissatisfaction with censorious third wave tumblr feminism had a part to play. Whatever happened, happened, and now we're here. The controversy with Quinn was the precipice for a variety of reasons.

Yet none of those were as bad as what the triple A industry gets away with. Funny.

GG takes issue with them as well. You would know this if you took the time to research GG and not what the leftist groupthink spoonfeed you.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 06, 2015, 10:17:32 AM

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 09:37:35 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 06, 2015, 09:27:13 AM

Quote from: Magos Domina on May 06, 2015, 09:18:22 AM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 06, 2015, 09:16:19 AM

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on May 06, 2015, 09:12:21 AM

"Games journalism" is bullshit.  To be honest, I couldn't give a shit about the personal lives of game developers/"journalists".  All this talk of "muh journalistic integrity" and "muh ethics" has become just as mind-numbing as the SJWs complaining about "muh tropes" and "muh sexism".

In the grand scheme of things, video games aren't that important, and people who say otherwise are lying to themselves.

That's not really the crux of our argument though. We recognise that in the wider scope of social issues, ethical journalistic practices isn't going to be at the top of the list. Still, it was an underlying problem that had been niggling gamers for a while, and GG was the tipping point.

So why did GG become a thing after Zoe Quinn and not before when we all knew IGN, Activsion and EA etc were doing it for the best part of a decade?

Idk, I guess the Sarkeesian scandal and the dissatisfaction with censorious third wave tumblr feminism had a part to play. Whatever happened, happened, and now we're here. The controversy with Quinn was the precipice for a variety of reasons.

Yet none of those were as bad as what the triple A industry gets away with. Funny.

GG takes issue with them as well. You would know this if you took the time to research GG and not what the leftist groupthink spoonfeed you.

Again you're assuming that I'm from the SJW anti-gamergate.

I tend to avoid insufferable identity politics, but whatever you classify yourself as, you're simply incorrect either way.