Quote from: SecondClass on September 14, 2014, 08:14:50 PM

The death penalty is never justified. I don't care if we captured Hitler, there's never an excuse for government-mandated murder.

Rehab is a giant waste of money. The public shouldn't have to pay for a prisoner to live. Especially the state they get to live in. Nowadays prisoners live in pretty damn good conditions.

You can't say that because we don't have a system of rehabilitation.

The death penalty is wrong, anyone who supports it is just a cunt. End off.

"Soldiers and pretty much all Americans need to die".

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 14, 2014, 08:12:24 PM

Russian prisons basically have everybody on 23 hour lockdown with no way for inmates to mingle like in American prisons, meet new people, and extend their criminal enterprises. That's what we fucking need here, none of this liberal rehab B.S

Yeah, because the Russians don't have a fucking crime problem.

Murder is still murder
Rape is still rape

Crime is the same no matter what country you are in. American prisons are like colleges for criminals. It's where they go to get initiated, meet new people, learn new skills, etc. Many gangs today originated from prisons.

While I believe in rehabilitation over punishment, I still think execution should be reserved for the really sadistic or mentally unstable criminals.


Those who commit an extreme crime with no chance of rehabilitation (such as the Norwegian guy who killed 77 people for a recent example), or those who've committed extreme crime after a rehabilitation process should be executed. (This stops mistaken identity executions, as the accused would have to be in the wrong place and time twice which is pretty unlikely, as well as a ton of evidence for both cases.)


However, if an execution must happen, it must be quick, painless, and as private as possible. Otherwise it would be sadistically glorified by a crowd and desensitizes us all to such violence.

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Yes, for crimes against children in which there is absolute and irrefutable evidence.

No. Rehabilitation is the single best option for society. Some people, however, are immune to rehabilitation.

Hanging is the only proper form of capital punishment.

I think a quick bullet to the head is better. Less suffering.

Pretty sure we removed firing squads because of the psychological impact that has on the men pulling the trigger.

Tell that to the Taliban and their public executions at the Ghazi Stadium. Apparently the Taliban would tie up a criminal at a post or whatever, set up some old Soviet machine guns, and let the family of the dead victim rain down fire on the tied up person

Jihadists have no conscience, Kinder. If they did, they clearly wouldn't be running around the middle east the way they are.

Yeah, but they just had regular families come and pull the trigger multiple times. There's no psychological effects when somebody wants revenge

LOL Once again showing your immaturity and lack of intelligence.

There are always psychologic effects if you kill someone. It changes you.

Plenty of people would like to disagree with you. If somebody killed somebody you loved deeply, you would want to see justice served on them

Transform prisons into a gulag-esque system where inmates have no chance to talk with each other and are subjected to solitary confinement nearly 23 hours of the day then they will be scarred shitless to commit a crime. Would YOU want to end up serving 50+ years under this? Hell fucking no you wouldn't

Not exactly. After going into a prison with that system, you'd just learn to be a better criminal and not get caught.


That's IF a criminal would be sane after such treatment. They tried a this method in a British prison in the 19th Century where they worked doing pointless exercises all day with no contact other than a priest and maybe one prison officer.


They stopped this method after cases of insanity and suicides rose dramatically. That's NOT rehabilitation.

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 15, 2014, 08:34:55 AM

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Quote from: Kinder_ on September 14, 2014, 08:12:24 PM

That's what we fucking need here, none of this liberal rehab B.S

>thinking prisons aren't run by private companies that are extremely right leaning
>thinking prisons aren't set up like that on purpose to keep the cycle of crime going
>thinking gulags are the future of prisons

What a Surprise. You realize if rehabilitation was actually taking place, people who get out wouldn't go back to committing crimes? Logic. You should try it some time.

Lol, you're an idiot. There's a total of 4,575 prisons in the U.S with only 100 of them being run by private companies. So who's the idiot here? Not me as you're the one thinking a huge number of prisons are privately tun and operated. Keep showing your stupidity

And rehab IS taking place in the justice system. It's in the form of petty book clubs, college programs in prisons, and plnty of other ways to make harden killers into normal people; they are not normal and it's rewarding them to commit criminal behavior. Transform prisons into a gulag-esque system where inmates have no chance to talk with each other and are subjected to solitary confinement nearly 23 hours of the day then they will be scarred shitless to commit a crime. Would YOU want to end up serving 50+ years under this? Hell fucking no you wouldn't

That bullshit.

What are you even saying? Would I what? People commit all sorts of crimes and the death penalty doesn't deterred it and neither does prison time really.

Rehabilitation is good. Cherry picking and acting like all inmates are hardened killers just makes you look retarded. There are plenty of people in there who have committed minor offenses who should rehabilitated instead of mingling with killers so they're even worse when they get out.

>liking gulags
MOTHERFUCKING LOL

>criticizes me for not reading your post
>doesn't read mine

Can you be even more of a cancerous down-syndrome fuck up?

I'm saying that if prisons were changed to where it's basically 23 hour confinement and no chances/luxuries like prisons today offer then you wouldn't want to commit a crime. Or you would but would beg for the death penalty as an alternative to spending the rest of your life alive, alone, and away from everybody and everyone

And why EXACTLY doesn't the death penalty deter criminals, nor does prison time? For one, you're allowed an unlimited amount of appeals once convicted sending the time a person spends on death row to at least 10 years with plenty of people dying from natural causes being put to death. Two, because of how restricted executions are to the public; just a little over a century ago executions were made public and it sent a fear throughout the populace to deter them from committing crimes. Three, prisons are more or less a mini vacation for people where they're given hot meals, warm beds to sleep in, the chance to communicate with other prisoners, watch t.v, etc. It's like a daycare for adults. Four, prison is where gang members go to get initiated or promoted within their group and serves as a training ground to teach gang members. Believe it or not but people commit crimes to get into prison for various reasons

Prison=people who commit felonies. Minor offenses are regarded as misdemeanors and people convicted of such are not sen to prison; they just serve a maximum year in jail dependent of the class of misdemeanor. The people who are in prison ARE career and harden criminals; they willingly commit murder, rape, child abductions, etc and don't want to be reformed, they want to continue to do this shit and being lenient on them shows them they can get away with shit without any serious consequences

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Quote from: Kinder_ on September 14, 2014, 08:12:24 PM

That's what we fucking need here, none of this liberal rehab B.S

>thinking prisons aren't run by private companies that are extremely right leaning
>thinking prisons aren't set up like that on purpose to keep the cycle of crime going
>thinking gulags are the future of prisons

What a Surprise. You realize if rehabilitation was actually taking place, people who get out wouldn't go back to committing crimes? Logic. You should try it some time.

Lol, you're an idiot. There's a total of 4,575 prisons in the U.S with only 100 of them being run by private companies. So who's the idiot here? Not me as you're the one thinking a huge number of prisons are privately tun and operated. Keep showing your stupidity

And rehab IS taking place in the justice system. It's in the form of petty book clubs, college programs in prisons, and plnty of other ways to make harden killers into normal people; they are not normal and it's rewarding them to commit criminal behavior. Transform prisons into a gulag-esque system where inmates have no chance to talk with each other and are subjected to solitary confinement nearly 23 hours of the day then they will be scarred shitless to commit a crime. Would YOU want to end up serving 50+ years under this? Hell fucking no you wouldn't

That bullshit.

What are you even saying? Would I what? People commit all sorts of crimes and the death penalty doesn't deterred it and neither does prison time really.

Rehabilitation is good. Cherry picking and acting like all inmates are hardened killers just makes you look retarded. There are plenty of people in there who have committed minor offenses who should rehabilitated instead of mingling with killers so they're even worse when they get out.

>liking gulags
MOTHERFUCKING LOL

>criticizes me for not reading your post
>doesn't read mine

Can you be even more of a cancerous down-syndrome fuck up?

I'm saying that if prisons were changed to where it's basically 23 hour confinement and no chances/luxuries like prisons today offer then you wouldn't want to commit a crime. Or you would but would beg for the death penalty as an alternative to spending the rest of your life alive, alone, and away from everybody and everyone

And why EXACTLY doesn't the death penalty deter criminals, nor does prison time? For one, you're allowed an unlimited amount of appeals once convicted sending the time a person spends on death row to at least 10 years with plenty of people dying from natural causes being put to death. Two, because of how restricted executions are to the public; just a little over a century ago executions were made public and it sent a fear throughout the populace to deter them from committing crimes. Three, prisons are more or less a mini vacation for people where they're given hot meals, warm beds to sleep in, the chance to communicate with other prisoners, watch t.v, etc. It's like a daycare for adults. Four, prison is where gang members go to get initiated or promoted within their group and serves as a training ground to teach gang members. Believe it or not but people commit crimes to get into prison for various reasons

Prison=people who commit felonies. Minor offenses are regarded as misdemeanors and people convicted of such are not sen to prison; they just serve a maximum year in jail dependent of the class of misdemeanor. The people who are in prison ARE career and harden criminals; they willingly commit murder, rape, child abductions, etc and don't want to be reformed, they want to continue to do this shit and being lenient on them shows them they can get away with shit without any serious consequences

Mad?

Death penalty is in quite a few states. Doesn't deter anybody. In Europe there is no death penalty and there's far less crime. So as for that argument, it's total bullshit.

As for prisons being mini vacations and people committing crimes to get into prison, that is a complete lie. For somebody who reportedly "grew up in the hood" you sure don't know jack shit about why people commit crimes or the fact that NOBODY wants to go to prison.

You don't need to go to jail to get into a gang. At all. There are prison gangs and gangs in prisons because gang members get locked up. It's not the other way around. In fact, joining a gang in prison is the worst way to join. When you get out nobody respects you because you haven't put any work in or done anything for the block or gang.

Prison doesn't deter anybody from doing anything really. If somebody's going to rob a store, they're going to rob a store. If somebody wants to kill a person, they're going to kill a person. They just hope they don't get caught and try to cover their tracks as best they can. But I can assure as somebody who actually has grown up "in the hood", nobody gives a fuck. Especially since most crimes in ghettos are committed by minors.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You have this vague grasp of things and you try to act like you're an expert on it. It's seriously making me laugh.

That cherry-picking with Europe. On the other hand, you have Mexico with NO death penalty and crime FAR worse than the U.S.

Actually, it isn't a lie. It's the truth. People ultimately commit crimes because they don't give a fuck and outweigh the benefits for committing a crime and just see prison as just a small, petty thing that doesn't hurt them and just makes them stronger

Actually, for many gangs going to prison is a way to get initiated or promoted into a gang and a way to meet new people, establish more connections, and learn new things. Ever hear of MS13? The Mexican Mafia? La Nuestra Familia? Aryan Brotherhood? All infamous and well-known gangs that originated as prison gangs. Talk about nobody respect you for being part of a prison gang when these four prison gangs are highly feared, and respected by others

Finally something we agree on. Prisons don't deter crime. What you said is what I've been saying this entire time. Know why prisons don't deter crime? Because the policies and "services" offered by them do not instill fear that committing a crime is bad and will not outweigh the good from committing a crime

And I'm going to send this right back at you:
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You have this vague grasp of things and you try to act like you're an expert on it. It's seriously making me laugh.

My college degree is aimed DIRECTLY at law enforcement, the criminal mind, prison/justice system, gangs, and what motivates crime. I DO have a clue what I'm talking about and a bigger clue than you will ever have

ITT: Kinder doesn't acknowledge the existence of institutionalisation.