that's nice, dear

Quote from: SecondClass on June 13, 2016, 01:10:17 AM

that's nice, dear

This is the Serious board.

Yeah, you accidentally posted this thread here

What am I if I just dont care?

That is a rather broad statement. It is difficult to delimit the notion of religion, let alone what constitutes a person as "religious". Are you talking about personal beliefs? Beliefs that align with a particular religion? Affiliation with a particular church or denomination? Participation in certain practices and rituals? What about spirituality? "Religiousness" and "religiosity" are subjective as they are based on your own understanding of what religion is, which, in essence, is influenced by your cultural upbringing, which, inherently, includes the religious principles rooted in society and the history of the nation/province/city/town you are from.

So before one can actually have this discussion, please find me a definition of religion that can properly incorporate the dimensions of religion on both a substantive and functional basis.

I'd say, any medium through which you defer in the pursuit of knowledge (e.g. God, nature, science, empiricism, etc.)

Deference being the keyword. Having a sycophantic or dogmatic attitude towards that which you consider the arbiter of the truth and meaning of reality, and censuring anything else that could attempt to explain the truth in its own way, is religious behavior, with or without a god. It is to claim that x medium is the One True God; everything else is a false idol.

In this sense, this new throng of individuals on the Internet, who cling to notions of science and empiricism, yet resentfully shut down anything else, are ironically more religious than those who claim to follow an actual religion in the more classical sense (e.g. belief in a god, sacraments, rituals, church-going, gay-bashing, etc)--because at least you can have a dialogue with a Christian about the existence of their god.

Can you have a dialogue with an r/atheist about religion? Not without them rejecting it immediately and ridiculing the very notion of it, you can't. They'll claim vehemently that there is no god, and simultaneously position science as the only path to true knowledge. This is religious behavior. Of course, this doesn't apply to all atheists, but even agnostics can have an unctuously religious devotion to things like science and nature--especially nature.

The general theory is to have an open, vigilant mind, taking care not to develop a sense of piety or devotion to anything.

The fuck lol

is it making you think

Quote from: Verbatim on June 13, 2016, 04:53:26 AM

Quote from: challengerX on June 13, 2016, 04:50:16 AM

The fuck lol

is it making you think

deeply

yeah me too

Quote from: Ginger on June 13, 2016, 01:14:23 AM

That is a rather broad statement. It is difficult to delimit the notion of religion, let alone what constitutes a person as "religious". Are you talking about personal beliefs? Beliefs that align with a particular religion? Affiliation with a particular church or denomination? Participation in certain practices and rituals? What about spirituality? "Religiousness" and "religiosity" are subjective as they are based on your own understanding of what religion is, which, in essence, is influenced by your cultural upbringing, which, inherently, includes the religious principles rooted in society and the history of the nation/province/city/town you are from.

So before one can actually have this discussion, please find me a definition of religion that can properly incorporate the dimensions of religion on both a substantive and functional basis.

I'd say, any medium through which you defer in the pursuit of knowledge (e.g. God, nature, science, empiricism, etc.)

Deference being the keyword. Having a sycophantic or dogmatic attitude towards that which you consider the arbiter of the truth and meaning of reality, and censuring anything else that could attempt to explain the truth in its own way, is religious behavior, with or without a god. It is to claim that x medium is the One True God; everything else is a false idol.

In this sense, this new throng of individuals on the Internet, who cling to notions of science and empiricism, yet resentfully shut down anything else, are ironically more religious than those who claim to follow an actual religion in the more classical sense (e.g. belief in a god, sacraments, rituals, church-going, gay-bashing, etc)--because at least you can have a dialogue with a Christian about the existence of their god.

Can you have a dialogue with an r/atheist about religion? Not without them rejecting it immediately and ridiculing the very notion of it, you can't. They'll claim vehemently that there is no god, and simultaneously position science as the only path to true knowledge. This is religious behavior. Of course, this doesn't apply to all atheists, but even agnostics can have an unctuously religious devotion to things like science and nature--especially nature.

The general theory is to have an open, vigilant mind, taking care not to develop a sense of piety or devotion to anything.

I like your assessment.

I'm one of the least religious people I know, and I'm agnostic and an empiricist. Not everyone thinks of religion all the time, nor should they. Also, this is Serious.