40% of Millenials are cool with censoring speech deemed "offensive"

 
 
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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
Pretty sceptical of the outcomes of these surveys as those responses can mean quite a few things.
Such as?
Pretty big difference between opposing someone's ability to criticise minorities and the harm some of their beliefs and practices might cause for our society on the one hand, and thinking that it should not be legal for people to publicly proclaim that all immigrants are filthy subhuman mudslime niggers who should be round up and eradicated.
You don't get to arbitrarily pick and choose what can and cannot be said in the dialogue of society. Either everything should be allowed to be said, or none of it should be. The only exception should be direct incitement to violence.
We've been doing exactly that, though. Picking and choosing what can or can't be said.
And that makes it right?
For good enough reasons? Sure.
I really don't know how you could extrapolate a good enough reason to clamp down on speech.
The most common reasons are the protection of people and the values in our society, really.
Funny, Hitler felt the same way when he shut down subversive elements like Bolshevism within Germany.
Hitler was also 75 years ago in a completely different age and society. This is a slippery slope.
"muh slippery slope" is not a fallacy when discussing social and policy change which is, surprise, drawn out and gradual.
You're gonna have to do better than that. Certain restrictions on free speech have been globally accepted for about 70 years now, and I haven't noticed my society getting much closer to a dictatorial rule of what I can or cannot criticise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Belgium
I fucking love Germany's law. "downplaying the acts", the fuck does that mean? Spreading the truth and clearing public misconceptions is illegal? Oy vey my 6 million, Goy.
*600 gorillion you filthy goy. this hate talk is like a second shoah


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
Pretty sceptical of the outcomes of these surveys as those responses can mean quite a few things.
Such as?
Pretty big difference between opposing someone's ability to criticise minorities and the harm some of their beliefs and practices might cause for our society on the one hand, and thinking that it should not be legal for people to publicly proclaim that all immigrants are filthy subhuman mudslime niggers who should be round up and eradicated.
You don't get to arbitrarily pick and choose what can and cannot be said in the dialogue of society. Either everything should be allowed to be said, or none of it should be. The only exception should be direct incitement to violence.
We've been doing exactly that, though. Picking and choosing what can or can't be said.
And that makes it right?
For good enough reasons? Sure.
I really don't know how you could extrapolate a good enough reason to clamp down on speech.
The most common reasons are the protection of people and the values in our society, really.
You should probably start with clamping down on Islam then, that is, if we're going down the censorious route of subverting pernicious thought to "protect people and values."
We're not talking about thought here, we're talking about speech and expression. It's only when those Islamic ideas go to far that they need to be addressed, as is the case for any other type of speech.
I'm not sure why you think censorship is the appropriate response to addressing radical speech though. Tackling speech through subversive means only galvanizes the idea's being espoused and gives people a victim status to latch on to.
History has shown otherwise, though. In theory it sounds perfectly reasonable to assume that any restrictions will just create martyrs and light the fire of the "victims" spirts to fight harder, but that does not really seem to be the case as measures taken often do seem to be effective at preventing certain ideologies from gathering large amounts of followers.
The continual rise of populist far right parties in Europe would like a word.
Far right parties have as much of a right to exist as other parties. It's perfectly possible to be right wing without being racist, inciting violence or spreading hate speech.
I never said they didn't have a right to exist. They're simply a testament to how pointless speech restriction laws are in Europe. Myriad far right parties essentially just bastardize the swastika in attempt to get around the legislation restricting its usage, whilst simultaneously making ideologies such as Nazism more attractive.


 
 
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dracula can eat my whole ass!
Yeah, if Flee can't convincingly make his argument, I'm inclined to stick to my guns: under no circumstance should speech be limited.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Yeah, if Flee can't convincingly make his argument, I'm inclined to stick to my guns: under no circumstance should speech be limited.
Flee is not the end all of discussion on subjects just because he uses sources and doesn't uses LMAOs.


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Oh wise one why don't you enlighten us with your masterful argumentative skills and wisdom like you did in this thread? Please I'm begging you to try and argue your case again and inevitably just stop replying because you're wrong.
Lol, yeah

That's why I stopped responding, kiddo

Because I'm wrong, and not because the opposing answer is always "NUH UH UR A DUMMY"

Free speech and other slippery slope arguments on this topic are nothing more than fear mongering against some imagined "other side". Hell, this thread is fully of people that use the term 'SJW' unironically, you really think it's worth my time to argue with you people?


 
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Oh wise one why don't you enlighten us with your masterful argumentative skills and wisdom like you did in this thread? Please I'm begging you to try and argue your case again and inevitably just stop replying because you're wrong.
Lol, yeah

That's why I stopped responding, kiddo

Because I'm wrong, and not because the opposing answer is always "NUH UH UR A DUMMY"

Free speech and other slippery slope arguments on this topic are nothing more than fear mongering against some imagined "other side". Hell, this thread is fully of people that use the term 'SJW' unironically, you really think it's worth my time to argue with you people?
So come on then

Educate us with your oh so wise and enlightening knowledge.
I just partially did after prefacing why I wasn't going into detail.

You can be a pedant all you want, fam, I won't stop you - doesn't change the fact that getting up in arms about "muh freeze peach" is just reactionary shit and you sound as silly as the people who make emails and send them to old ladies about evil liberal professors getting wittily destroyed by Albert Einstein.


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"MUH FREEZE PEACH" and "ITT: Reactionaries" aren't very convincing arguments, friend.
Damn good thing I'm not arguing, then, huh?

Seriously, do you read, or do you just kinda mash the keyboard with heavy breaths every time I post? Just said I didn't see a point in arguing.


 
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Still waiting for that compelling argument of the century. Ready to say something actually relevant to the discussion at hand yet?
So you don't read, then


 
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Still waiting for that compelling argument of the century. Ready to say something actually relevant to the discussion at hand yet?
So you don't read, then
Apparently neither do you
Oof, comeback of the century right there

I don't read what, lad? That you're still trying to get an argument out of me despite the fact that my entire position is, "you're all reactionaries, none of this is as inflated as you think it is, and you sound just as stupid as the people you mock"?


 
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Protecting the constitutional right to free speech for all is honestly a more important event then attacking universities for invisible microagressions against professional victims.


 
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"Hey, places of education putting restrictions on hate speech against minority groups isn't really an infringement of any kind of constitutional right and you're all only reacting so poorly because you like to imagine this as two battling sides."

"Oh yeah? Well maybe you should move to fucking NORTH KOREA."

Ya got me.


 
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The Left and Soccer Moms are more reactionary than Slash and I will ever be.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
β€”Judge Aaron Satie
β€”β€”Carmen
Ridiculous. Censoring opinions is literally one of the worst things a government can do, despite how bad the opinion is.


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"Hey, places of education putting restrictions on hate speech against minority groups isn't really an infringement of any kind of constitutional right
But it is
Please leave the United States for once in your life and get a sense of what the rest of the world is like

You know how evil Germany is? How everyone from Bavaria to Berlin is horribly oppressed because neo-nazi rallies are discontinued and you're not allowed to march down the streets stating how Jews are the most evil beings on earth and how we're running the banks?

Because most people's biggest complaint is that they go a bit too far in censoring their video games.


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You don't get to arbitrarily pick and choose what can and cannot be said in the dialogue of society. Either everything should be allowed to be said, or none of it should be.
Why? Partially arbitrary social rule is not unprecedented in law, what is a jury of peers.
Haven't got a fucking scooby what this is trying to say mate.
American law has never been absolutely concrete and has lended itself towards societal interpretation in plenty of contexts. If common citizens can assess guilt how can they not also assess what is and what is not offensive?


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