Quote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:05:42 PMQuote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 02:03:03 PMQuote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 01:50:48 PMQuote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 01:02:29 PMTotally a gun problem YouTubeYou realize Christians here say the same stuff, right?So there are ten Christian countries that punish homosexuality with death and agree with it en masse?No. I'm saying Christians in the US have said the same thing, so to bring up a video of an Islamic American saying the same stuff a Christian American would say, is rather silly. You'll hear no argument from me that almost every Middle Eastern country is barbaric. I personally think religion in general is quick to condemn anything that doesn't fit into their definition of "right".Except this is an Imam from Orlando spreading widely held beliefs among Muslims. Christianity and Islam don't compare when you stop with the bullshitting and look at them in practice. Christianity doesn't have multiple terrorists groups killing people in the west. This isn't a one-off shooting spree. This was an islamic based terror attack from an American born Muslim of Afghani parents who pledged himself to ISIS before he murdered 50+ lgbt people. So to say that he, the shooter or the Imam, said "the same stuff a Christian American would say" is nothing short of ignorance.
Quote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 02:03:03 PMQuote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 01:50:48 PMQuote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 01:02:29 PMTotally a gun problem YouTubeYou realize Christians here say the same stuff, right?So there are ten Christian countries that punish homosexuality with death and agree with it en masse?No. I'm saying Christians in the US have said the same thing, so to bring up a video of an Islamic American saying the same stuff a Christian American would say, is rather silly. You'll hear no argument from me that almost every Middle Eastern country is barbaric. I personally think religion in general is quick to condemn anything that doesn't fit into their definition of "right".
Quote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 01:50:48 PMQuote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 01:02:29 PMTotally a gun problem YouTubeYou realize Christians here say the same stuff, right?So there are ten Christian countries that punish homosexuality with death and agree with it en masse?
Quote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 01:02:29 PMTotally a gun problem YouTubeYou realize Christians here say the same stuff, right?
Totally a gun problem YouTube
I'm really disappointed in Obama. I really bought into the whole hope and change thing. I really thought he'd make things better. Never again.
Quote from: Verbatim on June 12, 2016, 02:22:38 PMQuote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:19:49 PMQuote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:08:41 PMQuote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:06:46 PMOne didn't happen and was a government plot.Are you talking about Sandy Hook? You don't really believe that do you?There are three crazy things I mostly believe in.Australian government carried out Port Arthur and blamed a mentally challenged manSandy Hook kids never existedRobert LaVoy Finicum was murdered by federal agents in Oregon. He was not cross-drawing a second handgun.seeing as how nobody is with you on the sandy hook thing, it would seem a lot more productive to just assume it happened, if only for the sake of discussion--and then you can go back to being incorrect when the discussion is overunless your goal is to trigger people or somethingFine. Lanza was an anxiety ridden, anorexic, aspie who had no treatment for years for what was probably undiognosed schizophrenia.
Quote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:19:49 PMQuote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:08:41 PMQuote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:06:46 PMOne didn't happen and was a government plot.Are you talking about Sandy Hook? You don't really believe that do you?There are three crazy things I mostly believe in.Australian government carried out Port Arthur and blamed a mentally challenged manSandy Hook kids never existedRobert LaVoy Finicum was murdered by federal agents in Oregon. He was not cross-drawing a second handgun.seeing as how nobody is with you on the sandy hook thing, it would seem a lot more productive to just assume it happened, if only for the sake of discussion--and then you can go back to being incorrect when the discussion is overunless your goal is to trigger people or something
Quote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:08:41 PMQuote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:06:46 PMOne didn't happen and was a government plot.Are you talking about Sandy Hook? You don't really believe that do you?There are three crazy things I mostly believe in.Australian government carried out Port Arthur and blamed a mentally challenged manSandy Hook kids never existedRobert LaVoy Finicum was murdered by federal agents in Oregon. He was not cross-drawing a second handgun.
Quote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:06:46 PMOne didn't happen and was a government plot.Are you talking about Sandy Hook? You don't really believe that do you?
One didn't happen and was a government plot.
Quote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:41:27 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 12, 2016, 02:40:42 PMI'm really disappointed in Obama. I really bought into the whole hope and change thing. I really thought he'd make things better. Never again.And it only took you until he had 6 more months left in office.Because I understand he was being cockblocked by republicans whenever he wanted to do something good. He had a lot of opposition. But when it comes down to it, daily life is still the same. That's what really makes you lose hope. After 8 years of hope and change there's no hope and no change for the everyday man. It's still the same people with all the money and everybody else slaves away for $1,000 a month. And he did nothing to change what is pretty much modern day slavery to jew bankers. I knew the presidency was bought and paid for since before I was born. But I thought maybe, just maybe he could bring a change.
Quote from: challengerX on June 12, 2016, 02:40:42 PMI'm really disappointed in Obama. I really bought into the whole hope and change thing. I really thought he'd make things better. Never again.And it only took you until he had 6 more months left in office.
Seems Democrats are taking the stance on better gun control and Republicans are blasting radical islamic terrorism.Can't it be both?Where are you, Gary Johnson?
Quote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 01:02:29 PMTotally a gun problemI don't think anyone is saying this was just a gun problem. People are saying that the easy and legal access to firearms doesn't exactly help this stuff.
Totally a gun problem
Where are you Gary Johnson?
Quote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:45:32 PMSeems Democrats are taking the stance on better gun control and Republicans are blasting radical islamic terrorism.Can't it be both?Where are you, Gary Johnson?Do you really think the libertarian is going to suddenlt call for gun control as a reaction
Quote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:45:32 PMWhere are you Gary Johnson?Polling 12% nationally on Fox. They'll let him on their debates at 15%
Quote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:25:55 PMQuote from: Verbatim on June 12, 2016, 02:22:38 PMQuote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:19:49 PMQuote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:08:41 PMQuote from: 卐RIGHT WING DAS SQUAD卐 on June 12, 2016, 02:06:46 PMOne didn't happen and was a government plot.Are you talking about Sandy Hook? You don't really believe that do you?There are three crazy things I mostly believe in.Australian government carried out Port Arthur and blamed a mentally challenged manSandy Hook kids never existedRobert LaVoy Finicum was murdered by federal agents in Oregon. He was not cross-drawing a second handgun.seeing as how nobody is with you on the sandy hook thing, it would seem a lot more productive to just assume it happened, if only for the sake of discussion--and then you can go back to being incorrect when the discussion is overunless your goal is to trigger people or somethingFine. Lanza was an anxiety ridden, anorexic, aspie who had no treatment for years for what was probably undiognosed schizophrenia.Wasn't there a study showing that people with mental illnesses don't make up a majority of the shootings in the slightest?
Quote from: Luciana on June 12, 2016, 02:48:16 PMSeems you're going off the deep endHow?QuoteNo one man can make a change, and even then, change doesn't come that quick. At least not usually.So first you're criticizing that it took me until the end of his term to come the reasonable conclusion that nothing has really changed then you're telling me change isn't fast and I shouldn't "jump to conclusions"? I don't get it.
Seems you're going off the deep end
No one man can make a change, and even then, change doesn't come that quick. At least not usually.
God damnit people. 50+ people just died because some idiot with a gun decided he didn't like gay people. And you all are acting like fucking politicians trying to push your agenda of MOAR GUN CONTROLZ or GIT RID OF ALL DA MUSLIMS.Honestly, stop and mourn for the people who just died and pray/cross your fingers for the people who are critically injured from this. Even if you don't fucking know them.
Quote from: PSU on June 12, 2016, 03:11:34 PMQuote from: Flee on June 12, 2016, 02:48:49 PMQuote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 01:02:29 PMTotally a gun problemI don't think anyone is saying this was just a gun problem. People are saying that the easy and legal access to firearms doesn't exactly help this stuff.Why not?I can buy a gun illegally in about 1 hour.Takes me 4 months to get one (less powerful) legally. Go ahead and ban all guns. It won't stop anything.Seeing how the longest state-level mandatory waiting period in any state is 14 days (Hawaii) and 40 out of the 50 states have no waiting period at all, I'm kind of doubting it would take you over 4 months to get a gun unless you're somehow in a special situation or won't put in the effort to take a relatively short drive somewhere else.And no one is suggesting that all guns should be banned. The point is, and this really is completely irrefutable at this point, that the legal gun market and easy lawful access to guns fuels the illegal trade of firearms and makes it easier for someone to get their hands on an illegal firearm. That is an undeniable fact, no matter where you stand on this issue. Partially thanks to the NRA-sponsored ban on CDC and NHI research on gun violence, there's a lot we don't know about gun violence in the US. But this, no one in the right mind can argue with.
Quote from: Flee on June 12, 2016, 02:48:49 PMQuote from: Casper on June 12, 2016, 01:02:29 PMTotally a gun problemI don't think anyone is saying this was just a gun problem. People are saying that the easy and legal access to firearms doesn't exactly help this stuff.Why not?I can buy a gun illegally in about 1 hour.Takes me 4 months to get one (less powerful) legally. Go ahead and ban all guns. It won't stop anything.
50 Dead, 53 Injured at Orlando LGBT Nightclub
