But...

But.......

Muh FOX news said the ice caps are growing!!!

And yet.. the winters are getting colder and the summers are getting mild.. Global Warming logic

I'll just say what I always say on topics like this. It's not global warming. And it's not climate change. Because as a rule of thumb, climate changes naturally. Except that the change occurs at an often gradual pace. Over the span of thousands of years. Like the formations of those glaciers.

No, the real issue here isn't fighting "climate change" because climate can and will always change. Our south and north poles used to have ancient jungles.

No, the problem here is, the acceleration factor. We're not neccessarily changing the weather, but we're accelerating how fast it changes and the pace at which it moves, which therefore really fucks over environments concerning adaptability because they can't cope fast enough to keep up.

Quote from: Forgewolf on March 06, 2015, 09:23:35 PM

And yet.. the winters are getting colder and the summers are getting mild.. Global Warming logic

In California, the past two Winters have been the hottest Winters on record, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Climate change isn't uniform. A symptom of climate change is erratic, unusual, and unpredictable weather.

It was at least 80*F here today...

Unless you have something to do with oil or gas I don't get why there are people that deny it. With all the things we have today that produce greenhouse gases that's going to change the environment. There's no way in hell the environment is going to naturally produce the amount of gases we have done over the years. The other thing are those photos you posted. That's proof right there the planet is heating up.   

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 06, 2015, 09:51:38 PM

It's not global warming.
[. . .]
We're not neccessarily changing the weather

Yes, we are. This kind of climate has no precedent throughout all of history.

Apart from the chemicals in the atmosphere that we're dumping out, no we're not. Or what I'm trying to say here is, the term climate change is wrong. When you hear climate change, most people expect suddenly drastic changes in weather. "Oh shit nigga the poles are hitting temperatures of florida!"

But that's wrong. Climate does, and always has changed. And over our planets history, our climate has changed drastically. Remember here, there used to be jungles up on our north and south poles. Fuck, 60 years ago my province was dry as a bone but now it's wet. High water content.

What I'm getting at here, is that we're not neccessarily changing the climate to things that haven't happened or haven't been seen before. Our planet has gone through mass extinctions with oxygen content in the air dropping down to only 5%. Our world has seen some shit.

What we're really doing, is artifically speeding up the process of which the climate itself changes. Climate change is a flase term and redundant because in 10,000 years places and temperature pockets we see today will be entirely different. Maybe even the complete opposite.

But that's the real issue. 10,000 years is time for life to adapt and move. Just like when glaciers covered the northern hemisphere of our world in previous ice ages.

We aren't so much as changing the weather as we are helping it move faster artifically with our pollutions. I understand, that on a basic level, yes you can call that changing the climate. But that isn't inherently a bad thing because climate changes naturally anyway. And it will no matter what we do.

But the real issue is the fact that the weather and climate will start to move too fast for life to keep up.

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 07, 2015, 10:13:06 AM

we're not neccessarily changing the climate to things that haven't happened or haven't been seen before.

I literally just demonstrated to you that this is, in fact, what we are doing.

And as I said, the terms are wrong. We are altering the climate to be sure but the general view on climate change is one of fearmongering, that we'll suddenly have snow where snow isn't supposed to be and the temperature will shoot up a million fucking degrees.

I'm merely commenting on the redundancy of the term climate "change" when climate changes anyway. Those glaciers that are gone now that were there in the 20's. They weren't always there. At some point in time they didn't even exist yet. And if given a few thousand years maybe the poles would change as well and those glaciers would disappear too.

The problem with climate change is the way people are looking at it. They're looking at it as if it's something that shouldn't be changing. That the world and tropical climates and cold climates we live in will always stay the same.

But that isn't the case.

I'm not advocating for dumping more shit into the air and messing things up further. But the reality here is, whether we change it or not, climate will change anyway. The issue is, that we're merely accelerating how fast it changes. That's the problem.

You point is valid and not wasted on me. I'm just scatter fucked in the head to try and make my point here. Which is irrelevant anyway since you and I both know the issue of climate won't ever be tackled until things are thrown way out of order.

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 06, 2015, 09:51:38 PM

It's not global warming.
[. . .]
We're not neccessarily changing the weather

Yes, we are. This kind of climate has no precedent throughout all of history.

> 650 year graph
> claims "all of history"
> Humans have been around over 29,000 years
> we must have experienced different conditions somewhere in there

Quote from: Trojanlord on March 07, 2015, 04:30:07 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 07, 2015, 03:52:24 AM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 06, 2015, 09:51:38 PM

It's not global warming.
[. . .]
We're not neccessarily changing the weather

Yes, we are. This kind of climate has no precedent throughout all of history.

> 650 year graph
> claims "all of history"
> Humans have been around over 29,000 years
> we must have experienced different conditions somewhere in there

Umm, what?

It's a 400,000 year graph and humans have been around for about 200,000 years.

My apologies, I read that as 650 years. Though the current temperatures, co2 levels are not unknown to the planet. We just haven't experienced them.

Technically, isn't it a good thing we're terraforming Antarctica to make it habitable? Technically.

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on March 07, 2015, 06:38:11 PM

Technically, isn't it a good thing we're terraforming Antarctica to make it habitable? Technically.

I hope you enjoy really big fucking storms. All that water's going to create some massive fucking cells.

RIP in peporonis all coastal habitations.

But my beautiful frozen mountain ranges. Set up a resort once they thaw out a bit, boom money.

It should be mentioned that the last time we had a CO2 ppm of ~400, there was a mini extinction event (PETM). So...yeah...we have that to think about.

Any higher and we start going into the Cenozoic climates where it was almost pole-to-pole deserts (I digress, another factor was the block of water currents what with a super continent at the time, but still).

LOL
"hur dur less ice = more land"
that water has to go somewhere when it melts you faggots

LOL
"hur dur less ice = more land"
that water has to go somewhere when it melts you faggots

So we lose Jersey, Florida, SoCal, and Bongland... that's  not a bad trade off.

In January my city was too damn fucking cold.