"You should absolutely be forced to be vegan."

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 07:46:46 PM

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challengerX · May 12, 2015, 07:48:33 PM

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Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 07:57:43 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 07:48:33 PM

The point is that's something you take when you have a deficiency. And if you have a deficiency because of your diet, then your diet is terrible.

then i'll live with a terrible diet

as long as its ethical
as long as its the right thing to do

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 07:59:28 PM

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Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 08:03:09 PM

because blades of grass aren't sentient, and basically every single animal that we eat is sentient

they have agency
they have a capacity to suffer and to feel pain

that matters

Batch · May 12, 2015, 08:12:37 PM

So do that mean we have to start putting cats and dogs in jail too?

That or they die from the change of diet.

*sips tea*

i am karjala takaisin · May 12, 2015, 08:18:06 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 08:03:09 PM

because blades of grass aren't sentient, and basically every single animal that we eat is sentient

they have agency
they have a capacity to suffer and to feel pain

that matters

dont mean to be pedantic here, but insects are consumed in some parts of the world, and most scientists agree that they lack the ability to feel pain

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 08:18:40 PM

Quote from: Batch on May 12, 2015, 08:12:37 PM

So do that mean we have to start putting cats and dogs in jail too?

That or they die from the change of diet.

*sips tea*

jesus christ

you really can't figure out that humans are smarter than cats and dogs, and therefore can make the logical decision not to kill animals?

you're basically saying that we should behave like stupid fucking animals
instead of using our BRAINS

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 08:18:43 PM

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Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 08:19:04 PM

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i don't, personally
B12 is absolutely essential to get through either supplements or fortified foods. It's dirt cheap and will spare you some serious long-term detriments.

It can also take years for your blood B12 to drop after you stop taking it, so it may not show up on a medical. Best not to take any chances.
LOL B12 are you fuckking kidding me man.

I was giving my dog B12 shots because he has SIBO and couldn't digest his food properly. Which means he had to eat white rice and chicken because he couldn't stomach anything else (he couldn't even stomach that so that's why we went to the vet) and he needed to get his B12 up.

Just eat a steak.
You can take B12 orally. I'm not sure what relevance your dog's condition has here.
I know you can take B12 orally. He needed shots because his B12 level was really low.

The point is that's something you take when you have a deficiency. And if you have a deficiency because of your diet, then your diet is terrible.

No, your perspective is wrong. B12 supplements (injections especially) can either be seen as backup plans for deficiencies, or simply part of one's everyday diet (oral tablets especially). Their efficacy at both does not change.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 08:19:42 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 08:18:43 PM

Plants can suffer too man.

nope

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 08:23:19 PM

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Jocephalopod · May 12, 2015, 08:23:27 PM

"Why are they eating him mommy?"

"they just don't understand son... Verbatim has led them astray

Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 08:36:44 PM

I'm puzzled by the users who are lurking this thread just so they can like the posts that reinforce their views. Why not lay those views on the table and be willing to think critically about them? Why are so few people willing to have an intelligent, open-minded dialogue about this issue?

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 08:37:40 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 08:23:19 PM

Yes.

They can feel pain and have memory.

Prove it.

Memory is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if they can feel pain, which they can't.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 08:39:12 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 08:36:44 PM

I'm puzzled by the users who are lurking this thread just so they can like the posts that reinforce their views. Why not lay those views on the table and be willing to think critically about them? Why are so few people willing to have an intelligent, open-minded dialogue about this issue?

well, like you said, most of them probably know that they're wrong deep down, but they don't want to be told that

because if they admitted it, they'd have to change their lifestyle, and that would be too inconvenient

Girl of Mystery · May 12, 2015, 08:40:57 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 08:39:12 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 08:36:44 PM
I'm puzzled by the users who are lurking this thread just so they can like the posts that reinforce their views. Why not lay those views on the table and be willing to think critically about them? Why are so few people willing to have an intelligent, open-minded dialogue about this issue?
well, like you said, most of them probably know that they're wrong deep down, but they don't want to be told that

because if they admitted it, they'd have to change their lifestyle, and that would be too inconvenient

they wouldn't have to change anything

Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 08:48:15 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 08:39:12 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 08:36:44 PM
I'm puzzled by the users who are lurking this thread just so they can like the posts that reinforce their views. Why not lay those views on the table and be willing to think critically about them? Why are so few people willing to have an intelligent, open-minded dialogue about this issue?
well, like you said, most of them probably know that they're wrong deep down, but they don't want to be told that

because if they admitted it, they'd have to change their lifestyle, and that would be too inconvenient

No doubt, it's just I can never remember being so resistant to the idea. I mean, I probably was at some point, but now such a blatant refusal to think rationally is so utterly... alien to me.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 08:49:47 PM

Quote from: Lemön cake on May 12, 2015, 08:40:57 PM

]they wouldn't have to change anything

you would if you didn't want to be a hypocrite, or a worthless piece of shit

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 08:52:36 PM

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i am karjala takaisin · May 12, 2015, 08:54:25 PM

tfw you try to take part in a debate and verb-sama ignores jew

Girl of Mystery · May 12, 2015, 08:55:09 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 08:49:47 PM

Quote from: Lemön cake on May 12, 2015, 08:40:57 PM
]they wouldn't have to change anything
you would if you didn't want to be a hypocrite, or a worthless piece of shit

Pretty sure people don't care what a bunch of online tree huggers think they are

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 08:55:41 PM

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Pendulate · May 12, 2015, 08:56:10 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 08:52:36 PM

Response to stimuli =/= subjective experience of pain.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 08:58:41 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 12, 2015, 08:56:10 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 08:52:36 PM
Response to stimuli =/= subjective experience of pain.

I think he's just trolling at this point.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 08:59:39 PM

Quote from: —ber on May 12, 2015, 08:54:25 PM

tfw you try to take part in a debate and verb-sama ignores jew

I mean, you said you weren't trying to be pedantic, but that's exactly what you were being, so I didn't really feel any need to respond...

i am karjala takaisin · May 12, 2015, 09:01:46 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 08:59:39 PM

Quote from: —ber on May 12, 2015, 08:54:25 PM
tfw you try to take part in a debate and verb-sama ignores jew
I mean, you said you weren't trying to be pedantic, but that's exactly what you were being, so I didn't really feel any need to respond...

i just crave the attention

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 09:01:54 PM

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Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 09:11:47 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 12, 2015, 09:01:54 PM

If I poke your eye and you flinch, that's a response to stimuli. This same reasoning was used to say animals didn't feel pain.

Fancy wording will get you nowhere.

except not all stimuli necessitates pain

when i look at a pair of tits, and my dick rises, that's a response to a stimulus
and i can for dead certain tell you that there's no pain involved in that process at all

challengerX · May 12, 2015, 09:12:43 PM

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