>reads through repliesJesus... Fucking... Christ.And people wonder why vegans get so pissed off and pious.
Going along this line of thought, I'd like to hear Verb's take on using dogs for hunting or shepherding, horses for recreational riding, or really any use of animals beyond a purely pet/owner relationship (though a lot of vegans also protest this). It seems that using animals in any sort of utility capacity is a form of theft, and it stands to reason that they could never consent to any of it, despite appearing to (or genuinely) enjoying it, since non-sapient animals can never give it. And is it okay to let an animal fade into extinction because they no longer serve a purpose? Surely any domesticated animal would be quickly killed off in the wild. It just seems like we've formed a fairly healthy, natural relationship with these animals over time, and while we should strive to never cause undue harm, I'm having a hard time seeing the ethical dilemma in our current situation.
You're right. I don't care about the animal. Why should I?
Just because eating meat is surrounding by unethical means doesn't make the act of eating meat unethical.
It's like video game pre-ordering. Pre-ordering in itself is fine, it's the way pre-ordering is abused that's the problem.
But whatever. I guess I'll just continue being immoral. No skin off my nose.
yeah, I'm not giving up red meats, the flavour and seasoning that I can combine for a meal alone are worth it.
Because you can't stand differing opinions?
>Veganismlol
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on May 12, 2015, 10:52:32 AMBecause you can't stand differing opinions?Because your "opinions" SUCK.You can keep telling me that it's okay to murder sentient beings for no good reason, but if you do, I'm gonna continue to say, "FUCK YOU, CUNT." That's really all vegans should say, because there is OBVIOUSLY no reasoning with these people.LOOK:Quote from: Saerveyn on May 12, 2015, 10:23:04 AM>VeganismlolYEP. Pack up, Pendulate. She pulled out the "lol" card. The bane of all veganism. Can't argue with that logic. Guess we gotta start supporting the meat industry now, because someone said "lol".
Well when my choice to eat something is this...or thisI think I know what I'm going to to be getting.
and by the way, I've had vegan food before. I was practically forced to sit down at a family friend's house for Christmas and eat an entire dinner of nothing but vegan food. The salad was the only good thing I had, the other stuff was either a wet mush or just tasted awful.Family and I went out for pizza afterwards since we didn't eat that much.
And there's no reasoning with you if you're just going to cry and say "CUNT " like you do in every argument.
I posted this in a thread a while back, but I think you missed it. If you have the time, I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter.QuoteGoing along this line of thought, I'd like to hear Verb's take on using dogs for hunting or shepherding, horses for recreational riding, or really any use of animals beyond a purely pet/owner relationship (though a lot of vegans also protest this). It seems that using animals in any sort of utility capacity is a form of theft, and it stands to reason that they could never consent to any of it, despite appearing to (or genuinely) enjoying it, since non-sapient animals can never give it. And is it okay to let an animal fade into extinction because they no longer serve a purpose? Surely any domesticated animal would be quickly killed off in the wild. It just seems like we've formed a fairly healthy, natural relationship with these animals over time, and while we should strive to never cause undue harm, I'm having a hard time seeing the ethical dilemma in our current situation.
I don't understand why vegans try to use pseudo-science
to try to fight against something that the human body (as well as a good portion of other sentient life on the planet) was naturally evolved to do, and then try to act moraly superior for it.
If your problem is with the way animals are treated, or having inhumane methods of extinguishing them, then fight about that instead of trying to force an extreme lifestyle on everyone else and then getting mad when they don't want to comply.
General question for the Vegans ITT, so basically Verb and Pendulate <.<The petri dish burger that was made sometime last year, if you were offered the chance to eat one - would you?
The cells were taken from a living cow, which as far as I know wasn't harmed by the procedure and then it was developed in what I think was a nutrient medium (Which may have contained animal products, but for the purpose of this assume the only living creature input was those initial cells)
And then for a longer view hypothetical, say that we found the food equivalent of HeLa cells (That were safe to consume, rather than literal cancer cells) where from the cellular legacy of one animal (That didn't die to give these cells, just as Henrietta wasn't harmed by the cells being taken) a source of death free 'meat' was available for the global population, would you object to that?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on May 12, 2015, 11:18:31 AMGeneral question for the Vegans ITT, so basically Verb and Pendulate <.<The petri dish burger that was made sometime last year, if you were offered the chance to eat one - would you?Probably not, because I've been a vegan for such a time now, the very taste of meat is absolutely disgusting to me, now (and for the smartasses, I've had chicken sandwiches bought for me by people who did not know I was a vegan, so instead of wasting it, I ate it and said "thank you". That's still veganism).A better question would be to ask if I have any problem with that, and...
QuoteThe cells were taken from a living cow, which as far as I know wasn't harmed by the procedure and then it was developed in what I think was a nutrient medium (Which may have contained animal products, but for the purpose of this assume the only living creature input was those initial cells)I mean... I guess I don't see anything wrong with that. The main issue veganism takes is the imposing of harm, and if the animal isn't harmed at all in this case, I guess I don't really see any problem. It just sounds absolutely disgusting, is all. I don't even think I'd try it back when I did eat meat.
QuoteAnd then for a longer view hypothetical, say that we found the food equivalent of HeLa cells (That were safe to consume, rather than literal cancer cells) where from the cellular legacy of one animal (That didn't die to give these cells, just as Henrietta wasn't harmed by the cells being taken) a source of death free 'meat' was available for the global population, would you object to that?Pain free meat, Psy. Death isn't the problem. It's the suffering that sucks.Would I object to a suffering-free burger?I guess not!I think it's pretty pathetic how meat-eaters are so desperate, that they have to come up with these weird fucking reacharounds just to eat meat, but whatever.
Do you believe in God?If not, this is NO better than telling vegans that "God placed animals here to be eaten. God says so."
You are making a really shitty argument from nature here. You treat evolution as an infallible force that we should all follow for no reason. Evolution does not necessitate a "good" existence, or a "better" existence. All evolution does is make it easier for us to survive, that's it. Nowhere does it say, "eating meat is absolutely okay."
QuoteIf your problem is with the way animals are treated, or having inhumane methods of extinguishing them, then fight about that instead of trying to force an extreme lifestyle on everyone else and then getting mad when they don't want to comply.Fighting the treatment of animals NECESSITATES everyone becoming a vegan.In order to stop the meat industry, you have to boycott it. You HAVE to.Boycotting = veganism.
How about i just eat my meat in peace and you veggies stop shoving your beliefs down my throat.
Hunting is already wrong, so... Obviously, dog hunting is wrong, too. The dogs are just... "complicit", at that point. --We have national parks that are designed for the preservation of certain species--we could certainly do the same for most of the animals that we eat. Even the chickens, which there are FIFTY BILLION of in the world.
Quote from: oss on May 12, 2015, 11:44:07 AMHow about i just eat my meat in peace and you veggies stop shoving your beliefs down my throat.How about, that's a very childish standpoint that contains no nuance whatsoever?You support an industry that abuses animals. I am going to fight that. No matter what.
Wernt you calling people out for making the same kind of argument before?
We were evolved in a way that we need the nutrients from both plants and animals to be healthy.
if you need suplements because your diet is deficient in that particular nutrent then clearly youre doing something wrong.
The cows aren't going to go on and discover the the cure to HIV, or the secret to Faster Than Light travel if I don't eat them.
The food chain has always existed ever sice an animal could crawl. You're not going to change it by calling everybody a cunt.
Alternatively, we could have and enforce stricter humane laws in regards to the treatment of animals being used for consunsumption.
National parks would completely fail to succeed in this aspect if hunting were outlawed. Trophic cascades caused by unchecked prey-animal populations is devastating to the environment on a long-term timeline. Hunting is absolutely integral to environmentalism and preservation.
You support an industry that rips living, oxygen - breathing plants from their roots, forces them through a lot of processses, and send them straight to your dinner plate.:^)
Do you make sure all of your clothes are made in America? All of your chocolate and coffee is fair trade?
Death's natural, they just speed it up. Besides the industry here is a lot less abusive.
I don't give a fuck where my clothes are made, as long as they weren't made from an animal.I don't drink coffee, and I barely eat chocolate, because so much of it isn't vegan.Does this have anything to do with veganism? I don't think so.
Quote from: oss on May 12, 2015, 11:56:54 AMDeath's natural, they just speed it up. Besides the industry here is a lot less abusive.So let's all just kill each other, then, because death is natural.
"You should absolutely be forced to be vegan."
