Quote from: challengerX on February 22, 2016, 02:59:22 PMDAILY REMINDER THAT MLK WAS KILLED WHEN HE STARTED ATTACKING CLASSISMWhat's your point?
DAILY REMINDER THAT MLK WAS KILLED WHEN HE STARTED ATTACKING CLASSISM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 22, 2016, 03:08:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 22, 2016, 02:59:22 PMDAILY REMINDER THAT MLK WAS KILLED WHEN HE STARTED ATTACKING CLASSISMWhat's your point?That classism is the real issue, not race.
I for one love having the privilege of watching the urban youth move in to my home town, live in section 8 housing developments, erode my traditional culture, and fill the halls of my old high school with cheap and affordable drugs.
Quote from: DAS B00T 2016 on February 22, 2016, 05:08:19 PMI for one love having the privilege of watching the urban youth move in to my home town, live in section 8 housing developments, erode my traditional culture, and fill the halls of my old high school with cheap and affordable drugs.I lol'd
Look, there's a point to what these SJW's are saying. They're just blowing it out of proportion.
In the same vein, casting the historical position of whites as some kind of religious original sin--for which the sinner (in this case an entire race) must atone--is not at all helpful to the dismantling of these institutional barriers.
is to recognize that there is one
I thought by "hilarious," you meant, "Haha, this guy makes a great point, and he's funny, too!" or something.
>like how people of color are disproportionately more likely to end up in jail, despite us not mentioning that they also commit a disproportionately high amount of serious crimes compared to how little of the total American population they account for
I wonder if racial minorities are more likely to end up in jail because they are more likely to be products of broken homes and shitty schools, so they're left with few options, so they choose a life of crime...
Alright so lemme explain something hereMost SANE people do not expect anyone with "privilege" to actually do much about it. "Privilege" has become such a buzzword that most people are content to think that it's simply a non-issue and just a point for the "opposing" side to shut down arguments. All these dumb talking points with "WELL THERE ARE POOR WHITE PEOPLE SO WHAT ABOUT THEIR PRIVILEGE, HUH?!" come from people that don't get the basic concept that class is the ultimate divider. Skin color and gender really only effect someone over the same class level. "Privilege" simply means that, given the same starting point in life, it is easier for that person to gain traction over others.Class > race > gender, it's pretty much as simple as that. A poor white man will naturally have eons less opportunity than a rich black woman, but will have slightly more opportunities than a poor black woman due to institutionalized and systemic racism and sexism.Like, seriously, it's a really simple concept. Nobody is saying that men never face any hardships or are never discriminated against - ESPECIALLY due to class divides. People are simply saying that, among the same level, white males tend to have a higher disposition towards success than black males or women.
You could give Camnator a run for his money.
Quote from: Cindy on February 23, 2016, 04:19:26 AMAlright so lemme explain something hereMost SANE people do not expect anyone with "privilege" to actually do much about it. "Privilege" has become such a buzzword that most people are content to think that it's simply a non-issue and just a point for the "opposing" side to shut down arguments. All these dumb talking points with "WELL THERE ARE POOR WHITE PEOPLE SO WHAT ABOUT THEIR PRIVILEGE, HUH?!" come from people that don't get the basic concept that class is the ultimate divider. Skin color and gender really only effect someone over the same class level. "Privilege" simply means that, given the same starting point in life, it is easier for that person to gain traction over others.Class > race > gender, it's pretty much as simple as that. A poor white man will naturally have eons less opportunity than a rich black woman, but will have slightly more opportunities than a poor black woman due to institutionalized and systemic racism and sexism.Like, seriously, it's a really simple concept. Nobody is saying that men never face any hardships or are never discriminated against - ESPECIALLY due to class divides. People are simply saying that, among the same level, white males tend to have a higher disposition towards success than black males or women.So basically we just have to sit here and accept your bullshit, revisionist, world-salad definition of what white privilege actually means and that it's not a racially-motivated concept and how it's oh-so simple that fucking naming it like a racially-motivated concept shouldn't have thrown us off. And, lo and behold, you arrive at the same conclusion both a conservative and moderate liberal managed to articulate before you. You could give Camnator a run for his money.
little of it has to do with the color of their skin
The point of privilege discourse is to remind people to be humble about their accomplishments and to be aware of the challenges other people (women, minorities, poorer people) face that they themselves might not be aware of.Your own privileges are often invisible to you and because of this it's easy to ascribe your successes solely to your own hard work, perseverance, and intelligence. And these factors no doubt played a big part, but certain privileges helped you along the way. If you're from a white, middle class family with professional parents who went to university, and your a male who is comfortable in you gender and sexual orientation, you've not only faced a lot fewer barriers than other folk you've also received some important bonuses like help from you parents and the social and cultural capital necessary to integrate into professional communities.The problem is when privileged people reach a point in their lives where they control hiring decisions or can act as gatekeepers to important resources, they don't acknowledge the help they've received and don't realize that not everyone has had these. And so they discount people who maybe haven't gone to as great a university as them or haven't had the same social experiences (like ski trips or backpacking across Europe). This creates a barrier for smart, intelligent, and hard working people to move up in society just because they come from different backgrounds.There's no one goal of the privilege discourse, but a major one is for people to simply acknowledge their privilege and be aware of its role in their successes. This doesn't mean that everything privileged people have achieved is meaningless or stolen, just that they've had advantages that others haven't.
"Racially motivated" doesn't mean "kill all the whities"
oh boy, get ready for an ass blasting cindy dear.
Quote from: DAS B00T 2016 on February 23, 2016, 07:43:25 AMtbh we should just accept the demands of the NBPP and give them some pacific islands to make their own new black nation and release all the incarcerated blacks to them like they and the NoI want.Then these discriminated against minorities can have a land of their own to finally prosper and create a home for black people to be free of white opression.It worked out so well last time. Spoiler
tbh we should just accept the demands of the NBPP and give them some pacific islands to make their own new black nation and release all the incarcerated blacks to them like they and the NoI want.Then these discriminated against minorities can have a land of their own to finally prosper and create a home for black people to be free of white opression.