Okay Verb. Can you do me a favor here.

Can you give me an example of suppossed white privilege that can't be changed or altered?

Okay Verb. Can you do me a favor here.

Can you give me an example of suppossed white privilege that can't be changed or altered?

Did you even read a single panel of the comic?

This is retarded.

The point of me saying "you can't change it" isn't meant to be taken 100% literally. It just means that white privilege is institutionalized, and therefore can't be changed like a shirt or a pair of fucking pants. It takes decades, if not centuries of conscious effort. You can't just flip a switch and make white privilege go bye-bye.

So the first step is to recognize the problem--"check your privilege."

This is so so so simple, it hurts.

Acknowledging it doesn't stop it.

Nothing can stop it but decades of conscious group effort.

you don't just fucking acknowledge it and then go on your merry way.

Literally nobody is saying this.

I didn't read that cancer of a comic.

You might want to do that, then.

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"Clearly, white people are never oppressed. Just don't ever go to South Africa and try to run a farm; you'll get raped, beaten, and have your children lit on fire."

Holy shit, this video's hilarious.

The bottom line is that this is just another one of those things that's "cool" to be against right now, so people take a stand against it, without understanding--even remotely--what it's all about.

No one is capable of thinking for themselves. Just do what's cool or popular.

Oh yep, look at all my white privilege keeping me in the working poor class while there are blacks doing better than me.  It sure must be a racial issue and nothing at all to do with class.

Gee, it's almost like there's a variety of things at work here, some of which are related to race...

"Clearly, white people are never oppressed. Just don't ever go to South Africa and try to run a farm; you'll get raped, beaten, and have your children lit on fire."

Holy shit, this video's hilarious.

Yeah. I think so too.

It's hilarious when people accuse SJWs of moving goalposts all the time, but when anti-SJWs do the exact same thing, like in that example you so enthusiastically gave, it's not only okay--it's applauded. You lap it up.

Quote from: Sandtrap on February 22, 2016, 12:25:24 PM

Acknowledging it doesn't stop it.

Nothing can stop it but decades of conscious group effort.

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you don't just fucking acknowledge it and then go on your merry way.

Literally nobody is saying this.

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I didn't read that cancer of a comic.

You might want to do that, then.

1. Bullshit. I don't need a group hand holding session to tell me how to alter my life. Nobody does. It starts with singular people. It's only ever considered a group when multiple singular people are accounted for.

2. Gee that comic sure is full of telling me to acknowledge my shit and then ends on a blank note.

3. Read the comic. So let's look at the examples given.

So the first being, percentage of prisoners. That's a fair point, but only to a degree. The american police force is well known for being corrupt. However, this little stat count here takes no consideration or makes no mention whatsover that, big shocker, maybe there's a higher percentage of crime rate in the two respective groups listed.

We also have to count incidents of a crime being reported in the first place. In which case for whites, the report rate might be down when compared to blacks. I'm not saying that there's some black guy in prison who was put there unjustly over something really minor involving the police, but the comic treats this like the disparity alone is soley based off privilege. Which is a load of shit. Last note on that. If there's a black guy in prison for what could be considered an unjust reason, the same can happen to a white guy.

Second. A white guy with a criminal record is more likely to be hired than a black guy with a clean slate. Okay seriously? This one is borderline playing the victim card. The comic sure as fuck isn't listing the stats on the black people who didn't legitimately meet the job standards, which a part of that percentage will be. But, you know how people are. "I didn't meet the qualifications so it must be racism."

That panel also doesn't cross reference fuck all. How about we look at the percentage of white guys with a clean record not being hired? Because at this point, that's all this particular panel focuses on. Again, I'm not saying that hiring biases don't exist. But this panel is hyping up shit.

Third panel here about the news. That's actually a legitimate issue. But again, the way it's written is downplaying things in the favor of one side. And, honestly, let's stop for one second here. White guys doing crime not being paid attention to in the news isn't even a privilege. It's actually a bad thing that the news doesn't fucking cover shit when it happens. That's not privilege that's just the news networks being cock stuffers like they've always been.

And the last panel. "White privilege is the privilege to be ignorant to the world us."

EK FUCKING SCUSE ME.

Let's not take into account the gaping plothole in that asinine statement, about the fact that nearly all fucking human beings can, are, and will be ignorant to the world around them.

The comic isn't neccessarily wrong. But it's sensationalist drivel, and it purposely ignores and makes no claim of mentioning other vital statistics and factors. Which is a fucking problem when you consider any issue, or tackling any sort of problem.

And misenterpreted shit likes this helps spawn a wave of slacktivision kids who don't do fuck all but

A) Complain about a problem yet provide no solution.

B) Claim that nothing can be done about it until a big group effort takes place, thus deluding themselves on some fake self perception that they're waiting for the big moment when everybody turns around, when actually, all they're doing is procrastinating on changing their own life and actually getting up and doing something about the fucking issue.

Seriously. Fuck the people that do this shit. Fuck the people that perpetrate this skewed sensationalist version of fighting for equality, and fuck people who have the gall to complain about an issue but make no hint of trying to make a constructive statement or even think of one.

Much easier to get a job and get into college if you're a minority. Affirmative action is racist.

There's also another issue here, in relations to that comic. People being fucking vague. They'll talk about white privilege but fail to realize that america isn't the only fucking country on the map.

What might apply to the US might not apply everywhere else. Which creates another problem. You've got the sensationalist, information forgetting anti-white crusaders going off on "white" people as a whole across the world when actually, they're going off on caucasian americans.

Which completely and utterly blinds them to the fact that in other parts of the world, as a "white" person, you'd stick out like a sore thumb, have a set of prejudices against you, and you'd likely be discriminated against in some sense.

But all they'll ever talk about is how white people have the upper hand. But only in america.

And that's the real problem here with that new age wave of social defenders. Misinformation and the leaving out of critical information just to paint a one sided picture that's an absolute portrayal of "white" people as a whole.

In which case his statement about white privilege granting the ability to be ignorant to the world at large?

Go fucking figure, he ranted only about american race issues.

If someone could explain to me how I was born with an "upper hand", that would be great.

Quote from: PSU on February 22, 2016, 01:57:55 PM

If someone could explain to me how I was born with an "upper hand", that would be great.

Think of 'white privilege' as 'class privilege', with the understanding that white people are overwhelmingly more represented in higher classes and arguably the cause of the racial division between them, and you'll be able to sort out how you may have had more opportunities presented to you than the average minority individual.

So since I was born poor, I didn't have any of these "white privileges". Thats gay as fuck, I wanted some.

I agree though. It is class privilege. So why don't these activists call it that? Why make it something racial?

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I was primarily using that first bit as a statement. People shouldn't always have to wait on a group effort to just magically happen. They should get up and try to influence things themselves as much as they're able in their own lives. That's the manner in which I try to live, at least. I don't, and shouldn't need to have to be part of a group effort in order to change things. I, and people, should strive to do as much as they can on their own as they're able to.

Second bit, I never asked to have my hand held and the statement didn't imply it. It's just fucking impolite to criticise somebody but provide no alternative to help lead them elsewhere out of their current direction.

Third bit. I didn't deny that the points in the comic listed wen't valid. But they're skewed due to the lack of other information and painted as an absolute thing, when there's other factors to be considered. It's like warmongering. Shunting one side into a simple and plain label that affords no polarities to the respective sides.

Fourth. If I was going to take a big stance and focus my life on utterly minimalizing black racism in america as much as possible, I'd study all the variables and all the windows of data to first make an accurrate summary of the groups of people I'd be trying to change, both white, and black.

Remember, other factors have to be taken into account. Then, once I've got an accurate picture and plan, push into motion. You've got to ask why blacks are racially profiled by white cops. With white people, part of the racism comes from old ways of thinking. Which means you have to focus your efforts on raising a generation of kids that is detached from that old way of thinking through education.

Another factor is, of course, that blacks are stereotypified. But a stereotype has real world implications. That's what it's founded on. And if you look at the percentages, a lot of blacks in america live in ghettos, poor neighborhoods, have acess to poor education, you name it.

And that makes a shitty, generalized image for white people to look at. So, at the same time, I'd aim for a means of fixing things with the blacks. Just like educating a new generation of white kids, I'd aim for making a new generation of black kids who aren't going to end up in a ghetto, as part of a gang as their only option.

The more the generalized opinion changes, the more the interaction of both sides alters, and the less examples of bad people doing bad shit to one another, the better the chances.

Five. Racism is an old aspect to human nature. Humans still have a lot of old primal stuff left over in them. In one hand, I'd pursue social changes and alterations to society to try and curb as much as possible. And in the other, I'd direct efforts into science.

All of our traits come from our brain and our genetics. The more we know about those, the more we can help change things. We can try and fix people who have issues, and eventually, if we become good enough at it, we can control and design how we're made and what makes us tick. Evolution is slow. We need to speed up our evolutionary process a bit.

But that comes with more implications. You'd need a science community that was up to the task of doing things like that, but not turning the world into something like a shit dystopian future full of class and strictly bound humans limited to their biological engineering.

In short, verb, if I was going to end racism, I'd put all my efforts into dismantling the entire world and its current society, and rebuilding it into something better. I'd do it piece by piece, area by area, trying to set things on a course that would lead to us being something better than we are now.

And lastly.

Recognizing my white cracker boy privilege isn't a burden on my conscience anymore because at the moment, I dislike humankind equally for all their dumb stuff. Not just one isolated group.

But I frequently dismantle myself and my thinking and look for other angles in my thoughts that I might not have seen the first time, so that when I look at somebody else other than myself, I don't let myself and my own mess get in the way of seeing people as they are. And, when I look at myself, I can see the ups and the downs too. I can see the advantages and the disadvantages.

Funny you should mention it though. My disliking of myself was and is fueled by the fact that I had advantages in life over other people.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 22, 2016, 02:01:49 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 22, 2016, 01:57:55 PM

If someone could explain to me how I was born with an "upper hand", that would be great.

Think of 'white privilege' as 'class privilege', with the understanding that white people are overwhelmingly more represented in higher classes and arguably the cause of the racial division between them, and you'll be able to sort out how you may have had more opportunities presented to you than the average minority individual.

So since I was born poor, I didn't have any of these "white privileges".Thats gay as fuck, I wanted some.

White people are more upwardly mobile, so even though you were born poor, you still had the "privilege" of having access to more job opportunities, college, less discrimination by police, less likelihood to be involved in gangs or crime, etc. It's not about blaming any specific white people for the state of classes in America, it's just a catch-all term to describe all the statistical advantages a typical white person has over a typical black person.

I agree though. It is class privilege. So why don't these activists call it that? Why make it something racial?

Because due to many years of racial discrimination in America, white people were in control of all the policies and infrastructure that are now the cause of class disparity, and minorities are still disproportionately discriminated against in the class system. It is an issue of classicism, but one that is directly born from racial prejudice of the past.

DAILY REMINDER THAT MLK WAS KILLED WHEN HE STARTED ATTACKING CLASSISM

What's your point?