I think we are about to have the most serious constitutional crisis since the Abdication of King Edward VIII. I suppose we had better try to enjoy it.If – as I think we will – we vote to leave the EU on June 23, a democratically elected Parliament, which wants to stay, will confront a force as great as itself – a national vote, equally democratic, which wants to quit. Are we about to find out what actually happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?I am genuinely unsure how this will work out. I hope it will only destroy our two dead political parties, stiffened corpses that have long propped each other up with the aid of BBC endorsement and ill-gotten money.I was wrong to think that the EU referendum would be so hopelessly rigged that the campaign for independence was doomed to lose. I overestimated the Prime Minister – a difficult thing for me to do since my opinion of him was so low. I did not think he could possibly have promised this vote with so little thought, preparation or skill.I underestimated the BBC, which has, perhaps thanks to years of justified and correct criticism from people such as me, taken its duty of impartiality seriously.Everything I hear now suggests that the votes for Leave are piling up, while the Remain cause is faltering and floundering. The betrayed supporters of both major parties now feel free to take revenge on their smug and arrogant leaders.It has been a mystery to me that these voters stayed loyal to organisations that repeatedly spat on them from a great height. Labour doesn’t love the poor. It loves the London elite. The Tories don’t love the country. They love only money. The referendum, in which the parties are split and uncertain, has freed us all from silly tribal loyalties and allowed us to vote instead according to reason. We can all vote against the heedless, arrogant snobs who inflicted mass immigration on the poor (while making sure they lived far from its consequences themselves). And nobody can call us ‘racists’ for doing so. That’s not to say that the voters are ignoring the actual issue of EU membership as a whole. As I have known for decades, this country has gained nothing from belonging to the European Union, and lost a great deal.If Zambia can be independent, why cannot we? If membership is so good for us, why has it been accompanied by savage industrial and commercial decline? If the Brussels system of sclerotic, centralised bureaucracy is so good, why doesn’t anyone else in the world adopt it?As for the clueless drivel about independence campaigners being hostile to foreigners or narrow-minded, this is mere ignorant snobbery. I’ll take on any of them in a competition as to who has travelled most widely, in Europe and beyond it. Good heavens, I’ve even read Tolstoy and like listening to Beethoven. And I still want to leave the EU.Do these people even know what they are saying when they call us ‘Little Englanders’?England has never been more little than it is now, a subject province of someone else’s empire.I have to say that this isn’t the way out I would have chosen, and that I hate referendums because I love our ancient Parliament. And, as I loathe anarchy and chaos, I fear the crisis that I think is coming.I hope we produce people capable of handling it. I wouldn’t have started from here. But despite all this, it is still rather thrilling to see the British people stirring at last after a long, long sleep.
On an unrelated note, anyone who wants to see me defend my thesis against the University's cybercrime and data protection panel is more than welcome to come see. It is public, after all.
It's all in English, actually.
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on June 14, 2016, 02:39:11 PMI'm fairly resigned to it at this point.Likewise. I more or less assumed that the righteous and godly side of Remain would just win, but the sheer amount of populism on both sides of the debate has really disappointed me. Even parts of what Meta just quoted make me facepalm at the populist discourse in it.
I'm fairly resigned to it at this point.
The polls are useless
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on June 14, 2016, 02:39:11 PMThe polls are useless I wouldn't go that far. Polls across the board are showing increasing momentum for the Leave campaign--both phone and online--and if anything could be underestimating the Leave vote due to flaws in the way the data is collected.
The suggestion that the EU forced mass immigration on the UK which ruined "the poor" without recognizing that (as far as I'm aware) just about all economic research has established that EU immigration has been very beneficial for the UK's economy, is negligible for the British "poor" in the sense of not raising wages or stealing jobs, and that EU immigrants contribute, on average, more to the UK's funds while relying less on British welfare than actual Britons.
And then there's the comments about how the EU is sclerotic and unable to change, which conveniently ignore that the Union is working on improving its institutions and changing the way they work pretty much constantly, as illustrated by many gradual changes to several of its organs and arguably one of the biggest changes in the EU's history being introduced just a few years ago to give significantly more power to the directly elected Parliament.
I have seen 3 people who legitimately seem to think that the President of the Commission is some sort of illegitimate dictator who rules the EU with an iron fist forcing refugees into the UK and singlehandedly imposes arbitrary laws on Britain to fuck people over.