But we took down the Pyramids

WW1
WW2
The Korean War
The Vietnam War
The Gulf War
The Iraq War
The Afghani War
The Syrian Conflict

WW1
WW2
The Korean War
The Vietnam War
The Gulf War
The Iraq War
The Afghani War
The Syrian Conflict

>slavs
>frogs
Everything else was because of Russia.

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 02:20:03 PM

WW1 -- European political alliances
WW2 -- Germany (and fallout from ToV)
The Korean War -- The UN and USA
The Vietnam War -- France
The Gulf War -- USA
The Iraq War -- USA
The Afghani War -- USA
The Syrian Conflict -- ISIS (and fallout from Iraq/Afganistan wars)

You must have failed high school history

Nope

WW1

What the fuck does the precipitation of tension amongst a couple of bumfuck slavic countries have to do with the West?

WW2

Fascism is not a Western value.

The Korean War

Are you forgetting this was an internal conflict between the North and the South that the US only joined in after the Japanese occupation?

The Vietnam War

Only really viable point here. Kind of mixed on the Vietnam war myself.

The Gulf War

Because we totally should've allowed a fascistic crime lord who controlled Iraq to annex Kuwait.

The Iraq War

Because we totally should've allowed a fascistic crime lord to continue his fascistic crime lord activities.

The Afghani War

Please offer us better alternatives as to how we should've deposed a terrorist organisation that pretty much controlled an entire country.

The Syrian Conflict

A melting pot of sectarian and religious violence. Assad started this by exacerbating the Arab Spring.

Of course, foreign involvement in favour of the Islamist FSA isn't exactly helping anything, but to suggest that we, the West are the root cause of all this is hogwash.

I already gave reasons as to why the West directly started these wars above, so just respond to that if you're going to respond at all

I already gave reasons as to why the West directly started these wars above, so just respond to that if you're going to respond at all

It would be great if you could link us to these alleged reasons instead of trying to shift the goal posts. Because it's certainly not in this thread.

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 02:38:34 PM

I already gave reasons as to why the West directly started these wars above, so just respond to that if you're going to respond at all

It would be great if you could link us to these alleged reasons instead of trying to shift the goal posts. Because it's certainly not in this thread.

He obscurely put it in the quote of his original post in his response to Slash; it isn't actually in one of its own posts.

Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 23, 2015, 02:35:16 PM

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The Iraq War

Because we totally should've allowed a fascistic crime lord to continue his fascistic crime lord activities.

Assad is no different now other than the fact that he doesn't have the same resources Saddam did, where is the Western invasion?

Assad is not trying to annex an oil chokepoint critical to global financial stability and threatening to destabilize the entirety of the Middle East last I recalled.

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 02:38:34 PM

I already gave reasons as to why the West directly started these wars above, so just respond to that if you're going to respond at all

Except the complex web of alliances in 1913/14 Europe isn't regarded as the seminal cause of the War; it's Russia's initial mobilisation.

...which was the result of the web of alliances.

Quote from: Meta as Fuck on September 23, 2015, 02:43:02 PM

Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 23, 2015, 02:42:11 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 02:38:34 PM

I already gave reasons as to why the West directly started these wars above, so just respond to that if you're going to respond at all

It would be great if you could link us to these alleged reasons instead of trying to shift the goal posts. Because it's certainly not in this thread.

He obscurely put it in the quote of his original post in his response to Slash; it isn't actually in one of its own posts.

Obscurely? You must be dense...why would I make a whole post just to say "nope", without adding anything to support that?

Yeah, because that isn't a common occurrence on this website is it? You fucknugget.

Quote from: guts on September 23, 2015, 02:46:11 PM

Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 23, 2015, 02:43:34 PM

Quote from: guts on September 23, 2015, 02:41:51 PM

Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 23, 2015, 02:35:16 PM

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The Iraq War

Because we totally should've allowed a fascistic crime lord to continue his fascistic crime lord activities.

Assad is no different now other than the fact that he doesn't have the same resources Saddam did, where is the Western invasion?

Assad is not trying to annex an oil chokepoint critical to global financial stability and threatening to destabilize the entirety of the Middle East last I recalled.

Lol and when did Saddam? He invaded Kuwait and the coalition removed the Iraqi forces, fast forward 10 years or so the West invades Iraq on the basis of "liberating" Iraqis

Lrn2history bro. The Iraqi forces were not "removed."

Removed, expelled, killed, defeated, whatever you want to call it. My dad was part of the forces invading Kuwait at the time, not that it gives me a high-ground or anything just fyi

Saddam was successful against the Kurdish uprising and remained in power.

What does that have to do with Kuwait and the 2003 invasion?

Quote from: guts on September 23, 2015, 02:56:59 PM

Removed, expelled, killed, defeated, whatever you want to call it. My dad was part of the forces invading Kuwait at the time, not that it gives me a high-ground or anything just fyi

Then you should realise that the majority of the Iraqi forces were not defeated. The Gulf War ended under a ceasefire.

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What does that have to do with Kuwait and the 2003 invasion?

I'm responding to your implication that Saddam was outright defeated during the Gulf War. He absolutely categorically wasn't. The fact that the US didn't press on is why we had the Iraq War.

I didn't imply Saddam was "outright defeated"
Here's what I said

He invaded Kuwait and the coalition removed the Iraqi forces

Do you really need me to clarify that I meant the coalition forces removed the Iraqis from Kuwait? That was the main the objective for the war, liberating Kuwait.