"If the father wants an abortion, he shouldn't have to pay child support"

Verbatim · September 08, 2015, 03:18:56 PM

Quote from: LC on September 08, 2015, 03:07:00 PM

If you had no desire to discuss it then why did you engage in conversation with me?

Because I'm still trying to figure out where you stand on the issue. We already both agree that people who think men are hornier than women as a rule are wrong, so we don't need to discuss it further. It's not like there's much else to add.

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You were proven wrong

When? Where?

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and now you're flip flopping and pretendng that words can only have one definition.

I never said that. Your use of the word "myth" was improper. I'm sure if you look up the dictionary definition of the word "theory", you're going to find the definition of a "hypothesis", too, even though that's not what a fucking theory is.

I'm just saying dictionary definitions should generally be taken with a grain of salt. It would be great if dictionaries went into detail about a definition's origin—like, at what point did people start calling hypotheses "theories"? Or, at what point did people start calling mundane untruths "myths"? That would be awesome. But they don't do that.

I'm just trying to prevent you from looking like a fool to those of us who actually know our shit. Because I really do cringe whenever someone says "myth" that way.

It would also help if you had an OUNCE of humility. I'm not one to talk, but FUCK, man.

Verbatim · September 08, 2015, 03:25:42 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on September 08, 2015, 03:09:55 PM

Except this doesn't substantiate your claim. Sex and procreation means both parties are equally responsible for the results. Just because the dude really wanted to fuck and the girl was just "meh" doesn't mean he is more responsible for the resulting pregnancy/child than she is.

As I stated earlier.

there is a big difference between being responsible and taking responsibility
You are conflating the two for no reason.

When it comes to taking responsibility, sure, both parties are equally responsible. That's AFTER sex.

BEFORE sex, it's more important for the male to be responsible and keep his sexual advances in check. Because, traditionally, women don't ask for sex as much as guys do. It's typically the guy who initiates the sex. Unless you have the numbers to contradict this piece of COMMON KNOWLEDGE, uh, shut the fuck up.

big sponge · September 08, 2015, 03:38:04 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 08, 2015, 03:18:56 PM

Verb stop. Please.

It wasn't improper, it's an actual definition. No amount of damage control will change this.

And this right here is actual off topic discussion.

Verbatim · September 08, 2015, 03:42:08 PM

Quote from: LC on September 08, 2015, 03:38:04 PM

Verb stop. Please.

It wasn't improper, it's an actual definition. No amount of damage control will change this.

The fact that dictionaries aren't law isn't damage control. It's just a fact. You can cry into your pillow all you want, but it's never going to change. You. Were. Wrong.

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And this right here is actual off topic discussion.

Your fault, not mine. I was trying to stay on-topic—you were more interested in whining about how badly I fucked you in the ass.

Now, I ask again—what is your actual stance on this issue? I feel like I've asked this five times already.

gats · September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM

lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am

big sponge · September 08, 2015, 03:49:07 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 08, 2015, 03:42:08 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2015, 04:00:15 PM

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Thun · September 08, 2015, 05:01:17 PM

Quote from: Awoo~ on September 08, 2015, 04:18:45 PM

I prefer cock over vag.

sup

Kitsune 狐 · September 08, 2015, 05:22:55 PM

From a woman's pov abortion is something scary... Well at least to me. I could never imagine aborting a piece of me, but if other women do it it doesn't bother me because that is what they thought was best, and I respect that. In saying that, if a court ordered me to abort my child so my baby daddy can evade child support it would damage my psychological health. Being forced to get an abortion when you want to keep it would be devastating. However, if that happened then the woman could opt out of receiving child support to avoid having an unwanted abortion...

Off somewhere in Mythos land....

SecondClass · September 08, 2015, 05:42:22 PM

Quote from: Simseoooooooooooooooooo👌 on September 08, 2015, 07:47:04 AM

I think the issue is that women have all the power in this matter. It's all dependent on whether she wants the child or not, the father gets very little say.

Do you want to keep the child? She can still abort it.
Do you to abort the child? She can still keep it, and you still have to pay.

Seems a little one sided, even if the baby is shoved up her cunt.

Yeah, this is how it fucking should be. She's the one who has to carry it in her body for nine months, not you. The woman ethically has final say.

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gats · September 08, 2015, 06:21:18 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM

Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.

what's your point?

gats · September 08, 2015, 06:30:50 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:26:57 PM

Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 06:21:18 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.
what's your point?
Probably the fact that your point is moot because you made a shitty comparison.

when i said "the same notion applies here" i meant that in the case of men taking their own precautions during sex as women do when walking home alone

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DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2015, 06:34:30 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM

Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.

It's a girls fault if she walks in a minority district and doesn't carry.

Prove me wrong.

gats · September 08, 2015, 06:36:22 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:31:33 PM

See my above post.

i still don't see why it's relevant. all i meant in my original post was that men should take their own precautions as do women in different situations

DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2015, 06:43:57 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:41:42 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.
It's a girls fault if she walks in a minority district and doesn't carry.

Prove me wrong.
I'd say it's the fault of law enforcement of not doing their job in cleaning crime up.
They're much too focused on making their quota in speeding and parking tickets these days.

Cops do not have an obligation or duty to protect you.

DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2015, 06:47:19 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:45:29 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:43:57 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.
It's a girls fault if she walks in a minority district and doesn't carry.

Prove me wrong.
I'd say it's the fault of law enforcement of not doing their job in cleaning crime up.
They're much too focused on making their quota in speeding and parking tickets these days.
Cops do not have an obligation or duty to protect you.
All the more reason why this country is fucked beyond reason.

Why? Because you need big bro and uncle Sam to make you feel safe?

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2015, 06:48:10 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:43:57 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.
It's a girls fault if she walks in a minority district and doesn't carry.

Prove me wrong.
I'd say it's the fault of law enforcement of not doing their job in cleaning crime up.
They're much too focused on making their quota in speeding and parking tickets these days.
Cops do not have an obligation or duty to protect you.

DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2015, 06:49:52 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:48:24 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:43:57 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.
It's a girls fault if she walks in a minority district and doesn't carry.

Prove me wrong.
I'd say it's the fault of law enforcement of not doing their job in cleaning crime up.
They're much too focused on making their quota in speeding and parking tickets these days.
Cops do not have an obligation or duty to protect you.
All the more reason why this country is fucked beyond reason.
Why? Because you need big bro and uncle Sam to make you feel safe?
Where do you think "To Protect and Serve" came from?

Protect and serve the district, not you.

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2015, 06:52:37 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 08, 2015, 06:33:35 PM

lol at all these feminist shills

It's got nothing to do with feminism and a hell of a lot more to do with the fact that a life you've created--accidentally or otherwise--is a higher priority than being able to walk away from a shitty decision.

DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2015, 06:53:46 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:52:26 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:43:57 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.
It's a girls fault if she walks in a minority district and doesn't carry.

Prove me wrong.
I'd say it's the fault of law enforcement of not doing their job in cleaning crime up.
They're much too focused on making their quota in speeding and parking tickets these days.
Cops do not have an obligation or duty to protect you.
All the more reason why this country is fucked beyond reason.
Why? Because you need big bro and uncle Sam to make you feel safe?
Where do you think "To Protect and Serve" came from?
Protect and serve the district, not you.
That's closely borderlining on tyranny.

This is the country that Liberals have created.

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2015, 06:55:06 PM

Why are we even arguing about this whole rape thing?

The whole "don't walk through a bad district" thing is analogous to "don't have sex if you don't want a kid".

gats · September 08, 2015, 06:58:13 PM

Jeeeez you make one comparison and nuka TRANScends the whole point

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 06:58:13 PM

Jeeeez you make one comparison and nuka TRANScends the whole point

I don't even know why he disagreed with you; I thought you two agreed with me here?

DAS B00T x2 · September 08, 2015, 07:00:05 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:56:59 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:52:26 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:43:57 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on September 08, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
lol you know that argument guys present when discussing rape?
"you wouldn't walk through a bad part of town with a stack of fifties, you have to take precautions don't dress like a slut"

i think the same notion applies here no?
wear a condom and take responsibility for yourself cuz we don't live in a perfect world
i mean, unless im wrong, please correct me if i am
That's not the same. Men aren't the ones that have to carry around a baby for 9 months and then give painful birth, have to nurse it and raise the baby for the next 15-20 years.

Not to mention, rape is entirely non-consensual.
Regular sex is consensual. You KNOW the consequence of unprotected sex. Yes, take responsibility and wear a fucking condom. If the girl gets pregnant, it's your fault for whining about how you didn't want to wear a condom.
It's a girls fault if she walks in a minority district and doesn't carry.

Prove me wrong.
I'd say it's the fault of law enforcement of not doing their job in cleaning crime up.
They're much too focused on making their quota in speeding and parking tickets these days.
Cops do not have an obligation or duty to protect you.
All the more reason why this country is fucked beyond reason.
Why? Because you need big bro and uncle Sam to make you feel safe?
Where do you think "To Protect and Serve" came from?
Protect and serve the district, not you.
That's closely borderlining on tyranny.
This is the country that Liberals have created.
Would you say the same if it was republican judges who made the decision?

Yes. Republicans can be Liberals.
Also, this is the result of decades of toxic ideologies, not simply the conclusion of one court case.

gats · September 08, 2015, 07:02:05 PM

Quote from: Executioner Sigma on September 08, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Jeeeez you make one comparison and nuka TRANScends the whole point
I don't even know why he disagreed with you; I thought you two agreed with me here?

I think he misinterpreted my post

More Than Mortal · September 08, 2015, 07:05:15 PM

Quote from: gOD'S NOT REEEEEEE on September 08, 2015, 07:03:24 PM

Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: Executioner Sigma on September 08, 2015, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: guts on September 08, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Jeeeez you make one comparison and nuka TRANScends the whole point
I don't even know why he disagreed with you; I thought you two agreed with me here?
I think he misinterpreted my post
The two ideas weren't comparable.

Course they are.

It's about committing an act which increases the probability of a negative consequence. Walking through a bad district is obviously going to increase the chances of you being mugged, just as sex is going to increase the chances of you ending up with a kid. It's not a perfect analogy, but the fundamentals are there.

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