Quote from: Prime Uta on September 21, 2015, 07:18:00 PMeducationyou're kidding, rightall throughout K-12, "drugs are bad" is fucking HAMMERED into your brainbut people STILL don't give a fuck
education
Preaching abstinence is fucking retarded in every case.
And that's not what I meant; education would mean to teach what a substance is and what effects it has (both short and long term).
Give people access to information on this stuff so that they can make informed decisions on their choices. Because at the moment, the [incorrect] perspective that marijuana dunt do nuffin is stupidly popular. And that's because, as a Category 1 substance, studies related to its effects are much more sparse in comparison to things such as tobacco and alcohol.
Quote from: Prime Uta on September 21, 2015, 07:32:31 PMPreaching abstinence is fucking retarded in every case.Well, it certainly worked a whole hell of a lot for me. Why? Do I just kick ass, and everyone else sucks, or what?that's what i like to tell myself
QuoteAnd that's not what I meant; education would mean to teach what a substance is and what effects it has (both short and long term).It's gonna be pretty hard to do that without having some sort of agenda. Not that agendas are bad. But teenagers are retards--they rebel for the sake of rebellion all the time, and we both know that. So personally, I think it's just fucked.
The notion that "it only takes one" is very detrimental, because very few drugs can cause a physical dependency with only one encounter.
Of course teenagers are stupid, and that's why they aren't allowed to drink or run for president. They still should be educated on the subject; because even with impaired judgement abilities, knowing what the fuck you're looking at still helps people to make the right decision.
Well, let's not pretend it hasn't happened, now. There are cases where people have died after one dose of heroin. Or cocaine, or ecstasy. It happens.We can't just ignore that fact just because it doesn't happen very often.
Uh, I'm talking about the "one time and you're hooked" mantra. Which is why I followed that up with statements about physical dependency on drugs.
Quote from: Prime Uta on September 21, 2015, 08:05:59 PMUh, I'm talking about the "one time and you're hooked" mantra. Which is why I followed that up with statements about physical dependency on drugs.My point still stands.
Unless we're only talking about marijuana, in which case, yeah, it's been shown time and time again that it's not inherently addictive, so whatever, I guess that's bullshit.
You cannot argue that anything of true worth is really gained when you sit down for an hour or two
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 21, 2015, 08:06:51 PMUnless we're only talking about marijuana, in which case, yeah, it's been shown time and time again that it's not inherently addictive, so whatever, I guess that's bullshit.Which is only a half truth. A person can't form a physical dependency on marijuana, but mental dependencies (habitual smokers, for example) are quite common.
Well, there you go.I meant in the sense that you could never take one puff of marijuana and be addicted, physically or otherwise. Like you said--it has to be habitual, so that necessitates frequent usage. That's what I was getting at.
Only if I'm playing a really shitty game. Games & movies are a little bit more than entertainment for me, but that's neither here nor there.
Except that it is. Don't shrug it off. Tell me what you personally gain from sitting down, spending time, and playing a round of games, excluding personal enjoyment and thoughts.What do you physically gain in your life, beyond being sedentry, and potentially introducing yourself to new avenues of diseases that have developed as a result of people who take gaming too far?
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 21, 2015, 08:15:41 PMWell, there you go.I meant in the sense that you could never take one puff of marijuana and be addicted, physically or otherwise. Like you said--it has to be habitual, so that necessitates frequent usage. That's what I was getting at.And I'm against habitual usage of drugs, as should any person. There aren't any drugs that give benefits when used habitually, whether it be ibuprofen, penicillin, or pot.
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 05:52:56 PMQuote from: Prime Uta on September 21, 2015, 04:20:39 PMQuote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 04:03:40 PMAnd that's why we have minimum age requirements.There are more than 2,200 deaths from alcohol poisoning each year in the US, or six per day. Three out of four of each death are men between the ages of 35 and and 64. 38 million US citizens reportedly binge drink.And this is with a substance that is known to substantially incapacitate and possibly kill a person. If this occurs with a substance that has that kind of reputation, I don't think putting an age limit on pot (AKA muh miracle plant) means diddly-squat in terms of limiting abuse.So you think Cannabis should be accesible to any age group?Of course not. People will kill each other anyways, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws against murder. I was responding to the claim that we have minimum age policies to prevent abuse. I'm saying that the notion of minimum age laws preventing abuse is silly. All it does is better restrict usage to a percentage of the population in general. It's aimed at preventing minors from possessing or consuming a substance, not to prevent abusing it. The most effective way to prevent abuse is to offer education and rehabilitation for drugs. Changing public perspective toward rehab and addiction are also crucial, but aren't really things that government can directly influence.
Quote from: Prime Uta on September 21, 2015, 04:20:39 PMQuote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 04:03:40 PMAnd that's why we have minimum age requirements.There are more than 2,200 deaths from alcohol poisoning each year in the US, or six per day. Three out of four of each death are men between the ages of 35 and and 64. 38 million US citizens reportedly binge drink.And this is with a substance that is known to substantially incapacitate and possibly kill a person. If this occurs with a substance that has that kind of reputation, I don't think putting an age limit on pot (AKA muh miracle plant) means diddly-squat in terms of limiting abuse.So you think Cannabis should be accesible to any age group?
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 04:03:40 PMAnd that's why we have minimum age requirements.There are more than 2,200 deaths from alcohol poisoning each year in the US, or six per day. Three out of four of each death are men between the ages of 35 and and 64. 38 million US citizens reportedly binge drink.And this is with a substance that is known to substantially incapacitate and possibly kill a person. If this occurs with a substance that has that kind of reputation, I don't think putting an age limit on pot (AKA muh miracle plant) means diddly-squat in terms of limiting abuse.
And that's why we have minimum age requirements.
I'm saying that age requirements significantly make it more difficult to obtain certain kinds of substances.
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 08:33:19 PMI'm saying that age requirements significantly make it more difficult to obtain certain kinds of substances.And therefore more dangerous, too.You myopic fuck.
Please tell me of the black market alcohol trade since the National Minimum Age Drinking Act was introduced.
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 08:37:08 PMPlease tell me of the black market alcohol trade since the National Minimum Age Drinking Act was introduced.It's not just black markets. I shouldn't have to explain how dumbfuck teenagers being dumbfuck teenagers might be somewhat of a problem. There are kids who fucking sneak alcohol from their parents. That's how retarded teenagers are.
Quote from: Sandtrap on September 21, 2015, 08:22:42 PMExcept that it is. Don't shrug it off. Tell me what you personally gain from sitting down, spending time, and playing a round of games, excluding personal enjoyment and thoughts.What do you physically gain in your life, beyond being sedentry, and potentially introducing yourself to new avenues of diseases that have developed as a result of people who take gaming too far?I'm in absolutely no danger of that, so don't even worry about it.Anyways...- Games can teach you lessons. Games make organization fun, for example. It's good to be organized, and games can teach you that.- Games can teach you things in general. A lot of worldviews and philosophies can be expressed by the characters in the story that can give you new perspective.- Games can improve your own capacity to make your OWN art. Taking bits and elements from other art is how other art is created.- Games can improve your reaction time.I could go on. This is piss-easy, Sandtrap.Now what does smoking pot do for you?Yeah, that's right. Fuck all.
Okay, but that's still not a viable justification to not make it significantly more problematic for 'dumbfuck' teenagers to endeavour in their dumbfuck activities.
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 08:44:10 PMOkay, but that's still not a viable justification to not make it significantly more problematic for 'dumbfuck' teenagers to endeavour in their dumbfuck activities.Again--I'm not arguing against it. Really, I'm just making fun of the fact that you're under the impression that age restrictions, as ineffective as they are, are some great solution. Enough to adulate them in your first post in this thread.
Where exactly did you get the impression I did?
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 08:50:00 PMWhere exactly did you get the impression I did?Your very first post.Something something "this is why we have age laws".The implication being that it's a great idea. It's not a great idea--it's a mediocre one. Certainly nothing worth posting about in adulation, but whatever. Apparently you weren't doing that. Okay.
So unless you have a viable contention against minimum age restrictions, what exactly is your fucking problem then?
Quote from: A E S T H E T I C S on September 21, 2015, 08:55:53 PMSo unless you have a viable contention against minimum age restrictions, what exactly is your fucking problem then?Your implication that it's a "good enough" solution."But I never said it was good enough."Yeah yeah. Whatever.
I'd love to hear your oh-so-wonderful alternatives. Please tell.
"I hate what marijuana does to my students"
