Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on January 08, 2015, 12:24:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:11:26 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.Yeah, and I'd lose my shit if some guy fucked my girlfriend, but that doesn't mean we should make fucking illegal.Are you seriously equating sex with calling someone's deceased relative "a stupid faggot"?
Quote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:11:26 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.Yeah, and I'd lose my shit if some guy fucked my girlfriend, but that doesn't mean we should make fucking illegal.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.
Quote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.
The "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.
Calling someone a stupid faggot is an ideology?
Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on January 08, 2015, 01:45:08 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:46:08 PMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on January 08, 2015, 12:24:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:11:26 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.Yeah, and I'd lose my shit if some guy fucked my girlfriend, but that doesn't mean we should make fucking illegal.Are you seriously equating sex with calling someone's deceased relative "a stupid faggot"?If somebody fucked your girlfriend, you'd be pretty fucking upset, right?And if somebody called your dead brother a stupid faggot, you'd be pretty upset, right?The thing is, though, you cannot run a country based on feels, because that's fucking retarded.You're running a country based on respect and morality. Sleeping with someone's spouse is not the same as protesting a funeral, first of all. Secondly, it's wrong to protest a funeral, it's not always wrong to fuck somebody's girlfriend. And thirdly, not allowing shit like that to happen at a funeral should be law.
Quote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:46:08 PMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on January 08, 2015, 12:24:53 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:11:26 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.Yeah, and I'd lose my shit if some guy fucked my girlfriend, but that doesn't mean we should make fucking illegal.Are you seriously equating sex with calling someone's deceased relative "a stupid faggot"?If somebody fucked your girlfriend, you'd be pretty fucking upset, right?And if somebody called your dead brother a stupid faggot, you'd be pretty upset, right?The thing is, though, you cannot run a country based on feels, because that's fucking retarded.
Quote from: Kinder Graham on January 08, 2015, 09:03:21 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.Yelling "FIRE" or "BOMB" in a heavily crowded place is SEVERLY different than saying "God hates fags". One of the two will lead to people getting trampled and hurt and the the other is just some guy waving a sign around...while that same protestor is mentally assaulting grieving friends and family by gleefully cheering a soldier's death.
Quote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.Yelling "FIRE" or "BOMB" in a heavily crowded place is SEVERLY different than saying "God hates fags". One of the two will lead to people getting trampled and hurt and the the other is just some guy waving a sign around
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 12:54:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:11:26 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.You know what? I actually wouldn't. I wouldn't give the fuckers the time of the day, because that's all they want. A reactionary response so they can be painted as the victims.Pshht sure.
Quote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:11:26 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.You know what? I actually wouldn't. I wouldn't give the fuckers the time of the day, because that's all they want. A reactionary response so they can be painted as the victims.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 04:15:37 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 01:05:20 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 12:54:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:11:26 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.You know what? I actually wouldn't. I wouldn't give the fuckers the time of the day, because that's all they want. A reactionary response so they can be painted as the victims.Pshht sure. Believe me, or don't believe me. I really don't give a shit, just like I wouldn't give a shit about the theocratic retards with all bark but no bite.I just think you and Lemy are full of shit when it comes to this. You'd get pissed and you know it.
Quote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 01:05:20 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 12:54:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on January 08, 2015, 12:11:26 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 08, 2015, 09:20:34 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 08:34:44 AMThe "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions. If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.Same goes for hate speech. What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC. As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead." The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor: While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.You know what? I actually wouldn't. I wouldn't give the fuckers the time of the day, because that's all they want. A reactionary response so they can be painted as the victims.Pshht sure. Believe me, or don't believe me. I really don't give a shit, just like I wouldn't give a shit about the theocratic retards with all bark but no bite.
Quote from: Dustin xLilD on January 08, 2015, 08:28:16 AMHypocrisy doesn't make an argument invalid.no, but it makes the one arguing a faggot
Hypocrisy doesn't make an argument invalid.
1) Morality is entirely subjective.
"I don't like what these guys are saying"
