"I don't like what these guys are saying"

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The "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions.  If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.

That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.

Same goes for hate speech.  What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC.  As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead."  The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.

This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor:  While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.
So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"

Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.

Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.
I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.
Yeah, and I'd lose my shit if some guy fucked my girlfriend, but that doesn't mean we should make fucking illegal.
Are you seriously equating sex with calling someone's deceased relative "a stupid faggot"?
If somebody fucked your girlfriend, you'd be pretty fucking upset, right?

And if somebody called your dead brother a stupid faggot, you'd be pretty upset, right?

The thing is, though, you cannot run a country based on feels, because that's fucking retarded.


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Calling someone a stupid faggot is an ideology?
It is for the WBC.


 
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The "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions.  If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.

That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.

Same goes for hate speech.  What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC.  As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead."  The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.

This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor:  While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.
So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"

Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.

Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.
I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.
Yeah, and I'd lose my shit if some guy fucked my girlfriend, but that doesn't mean we should make fucking illegal.
Are you seriously equating sex with calling someone's deceased relative "a stupid faggot"?
If somebody fucked your girlfriend, you'd be pretty fucking upset, right?

And if somebody called your dead brother a stupid faggot, you'd be pretty upset, right?

The thing is, though, you cannot run a country based on feels, because that's fucking retarded.
You're running a country based on respect and morality.

Sleeping with someone's spouse is not the same as protesting a funeral, first of all. Secondly, it's wrong to protest a funeral, it's not always wrong to fuck somebody's girlfriend. And thirdly, not allowing shit like that to happen at a funeral should be law.
1) Morality is entirely subjective.

2) What if it's a Nazi funeral?


 
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The "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions.  If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.

That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.

Same goes for hate speech.  What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC.  As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead."  The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.

This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor:  While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.

Yelling "FIRE" or "BOMB" in a heavily crowded place is SEVERLY different than saying "God hates fags". One of the two will lead to people getting trampled and hurt and the the other is just some guy waving a sign around

...while that same protestor is mentally assaulting grieving friends and family by gleefully cheering a soldier's death.

"Mentally assaulting". You have a funny way to describe speech. Just because it's offensive doesn't make it illegal. I'm noticing an alarming trend that if "omg it offends me" it needs to be censored. I can't blame the soldier for reacting the way he did, but that was upon him and nobody else. Just like the attack that took place in France.


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The "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions.  If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.

That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.

Same goes for hate speech.  What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC.  As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead."  The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.

This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor:  While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.
So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"

Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.

Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.
I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.
You know what? I actually wouldn't. I wouldn't give the fuckers the time of the day, because that's all they want. A reactionary response so they can be painted as the victims.
Pshht sure.
Believe me, or don't believe me. I really don't give a shit, just like I wouldn't give a shit about the theocratic retards with all bark but no bite.


 
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The "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions.  If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.

That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.

Same goes for hate speech.  What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC.  As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead."  The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.

This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor:  While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.
So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"

Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.

Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.
I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.
You know what? I actually wouldn't. I wouldn't give the fuckers the time of the day, because that's all they want. A reactionary response so they can be painted as the victims.
Pshht sure.
Believe me, or don't believe me. I really don't give a shit, just like I wouldn't give a shit about the theocratic retards with all bark but no bite.
I just think you and Lemy are full of shit when it comes to this. You'd get pissed and you know it.
I never said I wouldn't. But I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of a violent response. And I definitely wouldn't try to have the expression rights of my fellow Americans suppressed.


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Hypocrisy doesn't make an argument invalid.
no, but it makes the one arguing a faggot
this seems like a well-thought-out, reasonable conclusion brought about by significant amounts studying and critical thinking. you are now the master debater.


 
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The "Freedom of Speech" thing is blown out of so many proportions.  If I recall correctly (I'll look it up later, I've got morning chores to do) it was initially installed in our Government so that a person could freely express themselves in council chambers without the wrath of the Government falling on them.

That does not mean, however, you can shout "FIRE" in a crowded theater and cause a panic.

Same goes for hate speech.  What "muh free speeches" people fail to realize is the emotional trauma, harm, and social discord that comes from people like the WBC.  As you probably saw in that thread, a man attacked a church member during his soldier brother's funeral because the protestor was mocking his brother, discrediting his service, and saying, "I'm glad the stupid faggot is dead."  The soldier got soundly punished while the protestor got to walk away laughing.

This article is a nice thing to read through, especially the parts from the Fordham Law Professor:  While free speech protects people from harm, it allows unlimited emotional harm.
So basically what your argument boils down to is "delicate sensibilities take precedence over what you can and cannot say"

Yeah no. I personally do not give two shits if you become "emotionally traumatised " as a result of what I said. I do not, and never will recognise it as a justification to curtail mine, or anyone else's speech.

Yelling fire in a crowded vicinity isn't even a relevant analogy either.
I'd really like to see you not lose your shit when somebody protests your brother's funeral.
You know what? I actually wouldn't. I wouldn't give the fuckers the time of the day, because that's all they want. A reactionary response so they can be painted as the victims.
Pshht sure.
Believe me, or don't believe me. I really don't give a shit, just like I wouldn't give a shit about the theocratic retards with all bark but no bite.
I just think you and Lemy are full of shit when it comes to this. You'd get pissed and you know it.
There's a difference between getting pissed off and reacting in a violent and suppressing manner.