Since gender is a societal concept, then it just means the person doesn't ascribe solely to one sex's norms or the other's. So yeah, 'cisgender' and 'gender binary' are all real things, but solely in a societal context. Oddly enough, they arose out of a desire to eschew traditional societal gender roles, and did so by just making more categories/roles. Kind of silly in my opinion, but it's not really my business.
Since gender is a societal concept
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 13, 2015, 03:53:25 PMSince gender is a societal conceptOh my God, die.
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Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 13, 2015, 06:19:07 PM?I refuse to accept the definition of gender sociologists peddle; it's much more reasonable to define gender in terms of 'gendered behaviour' relative to certain masculine or feminine traits, which arise--probably mostly--from biology.
Redefining gender into something wholly social might be useful in terms of the sex-gender distinction, but it seems to lead most people away from the underlying causes of personality and behavioural differences between masculine and feminine individuals.
Of course they arise from biology. Everything everyone does arises from biology.
It's no accident we see gendered behaviour in neonatals
it seems like that should be called sex behavior, if its evinced in children unaffected by society.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 13, 2015, 06:36:15 PMit seems like that should be called sex behavior, if its evinced in children unaffected by society.Ah, see, this is the thing though. We fundamentally disagree on the definition of gender; if you define it as wholly social, then everything biological becomes sexual. Which is the same definition Verbatim uses. Under this paradigm, my position is that most behaviour stems from sexual--and not social--pressures.
Oh, yeah I agree with that I'm just using the framework we have available. I was under the impression 'gender as a social construct' implied the understanding that behavior is almost entirely grounded in biology but is expressed in the confines of society through terms like cisgender and binary.I guess I don't even know what I don't know.
Cis is just a term that is incredibly useful for trans discussions. You could waste time saying "normal gendered people" or "people who identify with their gender assigned at birth", or you could just say "cisgendered people".
Also yes, gender is to a certain degree a social construct
So like...chill.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 13, 2015, 03:53:25 PMSince gender is a societal concept
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Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on September 15, 2015, 12:20:55 AMAlso yes, gender is to a certain degree a social constructI know; the discourse has just been poisoned by people who think gendered behaviour is the result of wholly social factors.
It goes both ways, mang.
"Gender neutral"
