Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 27, 2015, 02:56:20 PM

Quote from: challengerX on September 27, 2015, 02:54:54 PM

WHO DOESNT WANT TO BE RICH

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i just want to be comfortable

And you should be able to be relatively comfortable working a minimum wage job.

i agree completely

haha basically all carpenters in new york should move somewhere with cheaper living costs

Like I said. It's around 600 euros a month. Not sure what the fuck you're trying to say here.

It helps if you read the article. Minimum wage is at an all time high in Spain.

Just take a look at the pretty graph if you're finding it difficult to read. I'm sure at least you know how to understand graphs.

LOL

I just said they can't afford to hire people in Spain. Literally every small business there is run by its owners. And if they do hire people, they around 500 euros and you're lucky if you get paid.

What the fuck is this even supposed to refute?

Please explain in detail.

I already have, but I'll water it down for you even further if it's that difficult for you:

I sell lemonade for $2 a cup. I also have a friend who I pay 20% of the earnings to from each cup I sell. I run the administration, the setting up of the business, and the marketing of my lemonade. My friend simply squeezes the lemons. That's why he only earns 20%

A government official comes down and tells me that I need to pay my friend 50% because 'equality' and employee rights. I also need a license to sell lemonade which will cost me another $50 in expenses. I need to figure out a way to compensate this, so I start charging $10 a cup just to make ends meet.

Customers stop coming to my lemonade stand due to the high prices. I have to let my friend go. He ends up losing employment altogether, and nobody can buy the lemonade because of its high price. It's a lose lose situation for everybody simply because the employer was deemed worthy of a wage higher than his market value.

That is the fundamentals of the minimum wage for you.

Like I said, these large corporations can afford to pay higher wages. If they lose some profit, I'm not losing any sleep over it. Employees being paid fairly is more important to me than the type of yacht the higher ups can buy.

Muh corporation meme.

Bully corporations into paying out unnecessary expenses all you want. It will not change a thing.

LMAO

WHO DOESNT WANT TO BE RICH

ARE YOU RETARDED

"I don't have an argument so I'm going to scream buzzwords in capital letters"

muh jargon

Lol.

Are the big bad words too much for you?

What's inflated here is school is more affordable so the skilled labor sector has been flooded with people. Speak in normal English, jargon doesn't make you look smart.

Okay.

Too many people in college = degrees being worthless. What's the point if everyone has one? The whole crux of a degree was to stand you out from the crowd. Now everyone has one.

It does, though. Because people are desperate to get any type of degree and this in turn is devaluing skilled workers.

So...reconciling my point about how overinflated tertiary education is.

Minimum wage should be a livable wage.

It pretty much is, that is if you don't make irresponsible choices by trying to raise a family whilst working at McDonalds.

I don't see why minimum wage jobs should support a family with the lifestyle people demand today- a car, TV, internet, cell phones, etc. These are luxuries that for some reason seem to be expected.

Until you realize that getting a better job when you don't have :
1. A car to get to a job when you need to.
2. A phone for your employer to be able to call you on.
3. Internet to access resources that you are expected to have. (try checking your work email without having to take a trip to the public library, fucko).

Is entirely based on how lucky you are with your location. And you can't just fucking say "move to a better location where things are more accessible or affordable" if :
1. You don't have internet to research this information and find out.
2. A phone service to call and arrange all of the necessary things to move into a new place.
3. Transportation of your stuff to a new place.
4. You don't have the money to get all of these things

The "alternatives" are you having to spend a disproportionate amount of your time jumping between public resources in order to get these things, on top of your already shitty job with shitty hours.

Would you hire an employee if you knew he :
1. Can't be contacted on a whim.
2. Can be late just because of reasons outside his control (bus was late)
3. Cannot contact you on a whim.

Personally I love the "economics is a zero-sum game" meme.

So many fucking idiots in this thread.

No, those jobs are meant for teenager to earn some extra cash. Not for some 40 year old convict to raise his 2 kids.

Don't like it, stay out of trouble. Get an associates. Take out a loan and get educated, it's not fucking hard. Dumbasses

It sounds like half of you clowns just want to be handed everything in life.

Quote from: eggsalad on September 27, 2015, 04:42:37 PM

dude can you put all your bait in one post

Dude would you like me to just pay for your life directly so your don't even have to go through welfare?

I volunteer as tribute!

i-if you're offering, that is

Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on September 27, 2015, 04:44:48 PM

Can anybody give me the downsides of a basic income guarantee? It seems like a decent idea, especially coupled with removal of wage laws, but I haven't read any actual criticism of it.

It incentivizes joblessness.

Do we wish to be a society that uses hunger and survival to incentivize work?

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 27, 2015, 05:12:18 PM

Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on September 27, 2015, 04:44:48 PM

Can anybody give me the downsides of a basic income guarantee? It seems like a decent idea, especially coupled with removal of wage laws, but I haven't read any actual criticism of it.

It incentivizes joblessness.

Do we wish to be a society that uses hunger and survival to incentivize work?

I was just telling you the major opposition. I support a guaranteed minimum income.

This is one of the issues that only capitalism could breed.

Because workers in a socialist society could never be under- or over-paid, right?

OT: Expanded welfare (like NIT) is the best option for combating poverty.