Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:25:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:24:40 PMQuote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 08:20:39 PMback in the 90's, the bhutanese government exiled the lhotshampa, ethnic hindus, 1/5 of the country's population. is that an accurate reflection of the values of buddhism? certainly not. to assume otherwise would be foolish.timothy mcveigh and terry nichols killed 168 people. they were christians. do their actions reflect the values of christianity?do not judge the whole for the actions of the few.Except the majority of Muslims are shitty people that have an ass backwards culture and society snd attack people who question it. Again, get back to me when you and your family have been persecuted.And there's the underlying reason for your hatred. Your family was driven out of Iran by Muslims, so now you hate them. Nice work.My family was driven out Africa by blacks, yet none of us hate them as a result of pure butthurt. Grow up Challenger.>butthurt>family members literally raped, killed and robbed by MuslimsDrink some bleach. Even if I wasn't personally affected by their bullshit, I'd still think the same thing. I'm just more anti Muslim because they've directly attacked my family. Doesn't mean I hate every Muslim I see.
Quote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:24:40 PMQuote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 08:20:39 PMback in the 90's, the bhutanese government exiled the lhotshampa, ethnic hindus, 1/5 of the country's population. is that an accurate reflection of the values of buddhism? certainly not. to assume otherwise would be foolish.timothy mcveigh and terry nichols killed 168 people. they were christians. do their actions reflect the values of christianity?do not judge the whole for the actions of the few.Except the majority of Muslims are shitty people that have an ass backwards culture and society snd attack people who question it. Again, get back to me when you and your family have been persecuted.And there's the underlying reason for your hatred. Your family was driven out of Iran by Muslims, so now you hate them. Nice work.My family was driven out Africa by blacks, yet none of us hate them as a result of pure butthurt. Grow up Challenger.
Quote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 08:20:39 PMback in the 90's, the bhutanese government exiled the lhotshampa, ethnic hindus, 1/5 of the country's population. is that an accurate reflection of the values of buddhism? certainly not. to assume otherwise would be foolish.timothy mcveigh and terry nichols killed 168 people. they were christians. do their actions reflect the values of christianity?do not judge the whole for the actions of the few.Except the majority of Muslims are shitty people that have an ass backwards culture and society snd attack people who question it. Again, get back to me when you and your family have been persecuted.
back in the 90's, the bhutanese government exiled the lhotshampa, ethnic hindus, 1/5 of the country's population. is that an accurate reflection of the values of buddhism? certainly not. to assume otherwise would be foolish.timothy mcveigh and terry nichols killed 168 people. they were christians. do their actions reflect the values of christianity?do not judge the whole for the actions of the few.
sorry to butt in here but why are we veering off and talking about representing Muslims? the actions here have nothing to do with them. this discussion is focused on those who would kill/harm others in the name of Islam.everyone knows there is an overwhelming majority of of peaceful Muslims in the world and no one is denying it but even .01 percent of 1.6 billion is a lot of fucking people willing to cause harmno one here has said anything against them.
Quote from: Jocephalopod on May 04, 2015, 08:30:23 PMsorry to butt in here but why are we veering off and talking about representing Muslims? the actions here have nothing to do with them. this discussion is focused on those who would kill/harm others in the name of Islam.everyone knows there is an overwhelming majority of of peaceful Muslims in the world and no one is denying it but even .01 percent of 1.6 billion is a lot of fucking people willing to cause harmno one here has said anything against them.because obviously if a couple muslims commit a violent act, then every single muslim worldwide must share their exact same mindset!... right?right?... oh
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:22:44 PMCome on already. Global terrorist attacks happen everywhere....Yeah no shit. That's what "global" means. QuoteNot all on the basis of Islam. You must be really stupid to think that only Islamic terrorism happens globally. Oklahoma bombings? Sarin attacks in metro stations? Even that Aurora attack.Nice. 3 attacks compared to 3 a day in the Middle East and elsewhere due to Islam. QuoteYou don't think I know that as well?Obviously not. QuoteSigh.So let's instead provoke them into doing attacks like this by making as outrageous of an insult to them as possible. Great work.And meanwhile, you're naive enough to think that blatant hate speech should be defended in the name of "free speech"How is it hate speech? It's a drawing. Killing somebody over a drawing has no excuse. QuoteOh come on, there are over a billion Muslims in the world. Doing something like this and expecting not a single person to do something violent is retarded. These people who do these attacks are mentally ill just like the ones who do terrorist attacks for other reasons.Nope, they're mostly all mentally sound. They just believe in that shit so much, they're so devout, they'll give their life to it.
Come on already. Global terrorist attacks happen everywhere.
Not all on the basis of Islam. You must be really stupid to think that only Islamic terrorism happens globally. Oklahoma bombings? Sarin attacks in metro stations? Even that Aurora attack.
You don't think I know that as well?
Sigh.So let's instead provoke them into doing attacks like this by making as outrageous of an insult to them as possible. Great work.And meanwhile, you're naive enough to think that blatant hate speech should be defended in the name of "free speech"
Oh come on, there are over a billion Muslims in the world. Doing something like this and expecting not a single person to do something violent is retarded. These people who do these attacks are mentally ill just like the ones who do terrorist attacks for other reasons.
Quote from: Jocephalopod on May 04, 2015, 08:30:23 PMsorry to butt in here but why are we veering off and talking about representing Muslims? the actions here have nothing to do with them. this discussion is focused on those who would kill/harm others in the name of Islam.everyone knows there is an overwhelming majority of of peaceful Muslims in the world and no one is denying it but even .01 percent of 1.6 billion is a lot of fucking people willing to cause harmno one here has said anything against them.On the contrary, a lot of people are denying it. And Muslims actually have a higher proportion than that who are extremists unfortunately. But that's due to shit social conditions at the root of things, not the religion.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:34:37 PMThis argument is over. I don't care whether I'm considered the "winner" or "loser". But it's clear from your other posts that you hate Islam for more personal reasons, and I don't blanket hate on groups because of what a small minority of them have done.Nope, I dislike Islam because of all the bullshit it causes and has caused. Apart from it personally affecting my and my family. And friends. I have Jewish friends in Israel who have grown up hearing bombs every night and have PTSD because of Muslims. The violent Muslims are not a small minority. Not even close.
This argument is over. I don't care whether I'm considered the "winner" or "loser". But it's clear from your other posts that you hate Islam for more personal reasons, and I don't blanket hate on groups because of what a small minority of them have done.
Quote from: challengerX on May 04, 2015, 08:38:02 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:34:37 PMThis argument is over. I don't care whether I'm considered the "winner" or "loser". But it's clear from your other posts that you hate Islam for more personal reasons, and I don't blanket hate on groups because of what a small minority of them have done.Nope, I dislike Islam because of all the bullshit it causes and has caused. Apart from it personally affecting my and my family. And friends. I have Jewish friends in Israel who have grown up hearing bombs every night and have PTSD because of Muslims. The violent Muslims are not a small minority. Not even close.got some news to break for you, israel isnt some victim constantly under bombardment by the evil muslim overlords. israel and hamas are both equally at fault.
Quote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:32:10 PMThe only thing "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression" do, is opt to the better side of expression.So yes, that shooting falls not under freedom of expression, but it falls under expression because obviously somebody got pissed off about it and went out to shoot some people.Not true, it's like Popper's paradox of intolerance. A society which values tolerance must be intolerant of intolerance to some degree. It's a meta-behaviour to protect the wider value. As such, actions which limit others' freedom of expression must themselves be limited. Is this erring on the "better side" of expression, no I wouldn't say so. A Salafist Muslim is free to argue all he likes that apostates should be killed, but when you actually kill apostates you're very obviously harming other individuals' freedom to their own expression. It's not about protecting some forms of expression over others; it's about protecting expression as widely as is possible.
The only thing "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression" do, is opt to the better side of expression.So yes, that shooting falls not under freedom of expression, but it falls under expression because obviously somebody got pissed off about it and went out to shoot some people.
Some fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?
Quote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 08:40:01 PMgot some news to break for you, israel isnt some victim constantly under bombardment by the evil muslim overlords. israel and hamas are both equally at fault.They actually are under constant bombardment by Hamas. If you actually knew what was going on over there you'd know its a tactic used by Hamas, to simply constantly launch missiles at Israel at no specific target to keep them afraid. And I think my friend with PTSD who lives in Israel knows more about this than you do, since you can't even look up a simple news article to see what Hamas does. I don't think Israel should even exist. But that has nothing to do with how disgusting Hamas and Palestine are.
got some news to break for you, israel isnt some victim constantly under bombardment by the evil muslim overlords. israel and hamas are both equally at fault.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:10:41 PMQuote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 08:04:20 PMveering uncomfortably close to islamophobia here..That's what I hate about threads like these. They just end up being Islamophobic circlejerks.im all for criticism of religion, but when you use vitriol like this its just... i dont even want to read posts so full of hate.some people would do well to remember that we are all born equal and we all die equal.
Quote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 08:04:20 PMveering uncomfortably close to islamophobia here..That's what I hate about threads like these. They just end up being Islamophobic circlejerks.
veering uncomfortably close to islamophobia here..
Quote from: Meta Cognition on May 04, 2015, 02:48:42 PMQuote from: Sandtrap on May 04, 2015, 02:32:10 PMThe only thing "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression" do, is opt to the better side of expression.So yes, that shooting falls not under freedom of expression, but it falls under expression because obviously somebody got pissed off about it and went out to shoot some people.Not true, it's like Popper's paradox of intolerance. A society which values tolerance must be intolerant of intolerance to some degree. It's a meta-behaviour to protect the wider value. As such, actions which limit others' freedom of expression must themselves be limited. Is this erring on the "better side" of expression, no I wouldn't say so. A Salafist Muslim is free to argue all he likes that apostates should be killed, but when you actually kill apostates you're very obviously harming other individuals' freedom to their own expression. It's not about protecting some forms of expression over others; it's about protecting expression as widely as is possible.Which I agree with. But all the same, shutting one's head in the sand and thinking that there aren't people who don't play nice, who don't particularily adhere to playing nice, is stupid.I mean really. How in the fuck could you not expect some form of trouble at an event like that? I'm not saying that they asked for the trouble they got or that they deserved it. But at the same time, not expecting trouble to arrive is a mistake.
Quote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 08:12:18 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:10:41 PMQuote from: Azumarill on May 04, 2015, 08:04:20 PMveering uncomfortably close to islamophobia here..That's what I hate about threads like these. They just end up being Islamophobic circlejerks.im all for criticism of religion, but when you use vitriol like this its just... i dont even want to read posts so full of hate.some people would do well to remember that we are all born equal and we all die equal.Yes. We all die equal.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:39:45 PMSome fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?It's not victim blaming when the victims may as well have held up a giant, flashy sign saying "HAY GAIZ! ATTACK US!!! PLEASE!!!"
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:43:43 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 04, 2015, 08:39:45 PMSome fucking seriously disgusting victim blaming going on ITT.I'm sure you guys would be flipping shit if the shoe was on the other foot and Christians/Jews started gunning down atheists and Palestine supporters.But oh wait, when was the last time that happened?It's not victim blaming when the victims may as well have held up a giant, flashy sign saying "HAY GAIZ! ATTACK US!!! PLEASE!!!"I don't even know what to say to this.You are truly abhorrent, in every sense of the word.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on May 04, 2015, 08:40:42 PMMuslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.Muslims. Hamas are a Muslim group. Palestine is poor because it's been fighting a losing battle for more than half a century. They're fueled by Muslim doctrine. That's why they think Israel should be destroyed.
Muslims, or just Hamas? Hamas are worthless pieces of shit. And they are fueled by poverty and shit social conditions rather than Islam.
"Draw Muhammad" shooting in Garland Texas
